Here’s a quick question: does anyone know if the Phaeton and the Touareg steering wheels are interchangeable? I have been looking at pictures and the “look” identical. Thanks.
Phaeton Touareg steering wheels?
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As Ceylon said, they're the same although Touaregs have a different finish on the steering wheel controls that goes sticky and peels off over time.
I'm glad VW had the sense not to use the same stuff on the Phaeton.
I'm glad VW had the sense not to use the same stuff on the Phaeton.
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Good point Callum! Your original buttons will move over ok if you wanted to keep the Phaeton ones, they're held on with two small torx bits each side.
We did get the horrid soft touch one some parts but thankfully not as many as the Touareg. It's really quite hard to find a Touareg with decent AC and radio controls, pretty poor really!
The only issue area on mine was the sunroof control knob, so was an easy one to replace
.Ahh this is great information. Here is my situation on my Phaeton the steering wheel leather is in very bad shape. Mine is a heated wheel and an wonder when I look on eBay for a wheel how I can tell (other than the description, which often is not accurate) if the wheel is wired/heated.
Also I think my car interior is called Kristal Gray but the wheel looks to black to me. Which I hope it is so I can have an easier time finding a wheel.
Also I think my car interior is called Kristal Gray but the wheel looks to black to me. Which I hope it is so I can have an easier time finding a wheel.
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I would like to clarify that the buttons come out with the airbag on the original steering wheels. They are attached to the airbag bracket.
It was the later steering wheels that had the buttons attached to the steering wheel and the airbag was separate. You can also get those steering wheels bare without buttons but then you would have to buy the buttons and airbag also anyway.
You can buy a complete used steering wheel or a bare steering wheel.
I haven't seen any reasonably priced new heated steering wheels on eBay for a few years, at least not in brown. I haven't looked at Anthracite wheels.
The sellers from Latvia list new steering wheels but they want more the original VW dealer price for them. I don't even bother looking up the part numbers when I see what they want.
The heated steering wheels have wires inside the center.
This one - not heated Anthracite:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/04-05-06-0...ATED-LEATHER-STEERING-WHEEL/153961931725?hash=item23d8d8a3cd:g:v-kAAOSw-Ile202x
Not heated:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/2004-2005-...POKE-LEATHER-STEERING-WHEEL/293610246566?hash=item445c88d1a6:g:nLwAAOSwfPFe4mX6
https://www.ebay.com/itm/OEM-VW-Tou...ing-Wheel-NEW-3D0419091S2N1/332061383266?hash=item4d50669a62:g:C-kAAOSws-9ebgaj
If you will notice, the inside area of the unheated steering wheels have no wires. If the eBay auction shows a complete wheel with the airbag, you can't tell unless they show it with the airbag removed.
This one - heated Anthracite
https://www.ebay.com/itm/2004-2005-...TED-LEATHER-STEERING-WHEEL/153922075167?hash=item23d6787a1f:g:8-MAAOSwt0pes8UM:
Brand new heated grey:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/OEM-VW-Pha...teering-Wheel-3D0419091T7B4/282029278134?hash=item41aa4143b6:g:mhwAAOSwWu5ea~s5
Note: The heated steering wheels seem to have more wires than I remember. I will look up the exact part numbers for heated Anthracite and Grey early steering wheels when I get to my casual laptop. This one's business.
It was the later steering wheels that had the buttons attached to the steering wheel and the airbag was separate. You can also get those steering wheels bare without buttons but then you would have to buy the buttons and airbag also anyway.
You can buy a complete used steering wheel or a bare steering wheel.
I haven't seen any reasonably priced new heated steering wheels on eBay for a few years, at least not in brown. I haven't looked at Anthracite wheels.
The sellers from Latvia list new steering wheels but they want more the original VW dealer price for them. I don't even bother looking up the part numbers when I see what they want.
The heated steering wheels have wires inside the center.
This one - not heated Anthracite:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/04-05-06-0...ATED-LEATHER-STEERING-WHEEL/153961931725?hash=item23d8d8a3cd:g:v-kAAOSw-Ile202x
Not heated:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/2004-2005-...POKE-LEATHER-STEERING-WHEEL/293610246566?hash=item445c88d1a6:g:nLwAAOSwfPFe4mX6
https://www.ebay.com/itm/OEM-VW-Tou...ing-Wheel-NEW-3D0419091S2N1/332061383266?hash=item4d50669a62:g:C-kAAOSws-9ebgaj
If you will notice, the inside area of the unheated steering wheels have no wires. If the eBay auction shows a complete wheel with the airbag, you can't tell unless they show it with the airbag removed.
This one - heated Anthracite
https://www.ebay.com/itm/2004-2005-...TED-LEATHER-STEERING-WHEEL/153922075167?hash=item23d6787a1f:g:8-MAAOSwt0pes8UM:
Brand new heated grey:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/OEM-VW-Pha...teering-Wheel-3D0419091T7B4/282029278134?hash=item41aa4143b6:g:mhwAAOSwWu5ea~s5
Note: The heated steering wheels seem to have more wires than I remember. I will look up the exact part numbers for heated Anthracite and Grey early steering wheels when I get to my casual laptop. This one's business.
I am learning a lot here thanks everyone. My thought is to keep my eye out for a black heated wheel and then switch my airbag and buttons over to it. (Again, I am pretty sure my 2004 with the Kristal Gray interior has a black wheel).
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When I get on my casual laptop, I will give you the entire part numbers for the Anthracite, black (if there is a "black") and grey steering wheels. I'm pretty sure VW called the black interior Anthracite.
The last three characters indicate the color. The basic part number doesn't indicate color so you need the entire part number. When you pop your airbag off (read the threads carefully), you can read your part number and find out if you have an Anthracite or grey steering wheel.
You probably do have an Anthracite steering wheel. My interior is Sunnen Beige but my steering wheel, dashboard top and shift knob are brown. The switches on my steering wheel are dark grey.
Your dashboard bottom should be Kristal Gray and the top is probably Anthracite.
Hummm now you have me paranoid whether the steering wheel is black or a different shade of dark gray than the rest of the interior. It is definitely NOT the same color as the seats and console, which are much lighter.
How hard is it to remove the airbag and buttons?
How hard is it to remove the airbag and buttons?
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That laptop was business, this one's casual.
I just looked up the parts on 7zap and it appears that there was no grey Phaeton steering wheel (at least not in the 2004 diagram)
The anthracite heated wheel part number is 3D0419091T7B4
7zap advertises that they are the ETKA which is the actual VW parts diagrams.
https://volkswagen.7zap.com/en/usa/
Here's the 2004 Phaeton steering wheel page:
https://volkswagen.7zap.com/en/usa/phaeton/phae/2004-258/4/419-419021/
The official VWOA parts website was less helpful:
https://parts.vw.com/p/48259543/3D0419091T7B4.html
-Eric
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Well, you turn it upside down, put a screwdriver in one of the holes in the bottom of the steering wheel and twist. You can leave the wheel as is or put it back so the wheels are pointing straight ahead. The wheel has an indexing mark and so does the steering column shaft.
You only have to worry if it's incorrectly installed (like if an alignment shop cheated and centered the wheel by taking it off and shifting it instead of by adjusting the tie rod ends). I cheated on my '65 Valiant and had to file the indexing lug off my steering column shaft to center it. The Phaeton has no lug so it's easier to cheat, you just have to worry about igniting the air bag.
Anyhow, you have to turn the wheel upside down to get access to the holes. I disconnect the batteries because I don't want to eat an airbag. I have respect for ESD and static discharge. A static discharge blew up a rocket on the launch pad once. That was in our USAF ESD training every year. Others have disconnected the airbag without disconnecting the battery. As far as I know, nobody has blown a Phaeton airbag when working on it, but I don't want to be first. I may remove all of the air bag fuses next time.
The airbag removal procedure is in the button retrofit thread:
https://forums.vwvortex.com/showthread.php?2105369
-Eric
This is great, thank you. So I guess mine is the anthracite color with the gray interior. This information makes it much easier to find a wheel on eBay. Also I now learned about the 7zap site and am looking around. Funny I put in my cars VIN and it says unable to find it.
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You're welcome.
It found one of my Phaetons but not my Scirocco or the other Phaeton.
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From the heated steering wheel retrofit thread and 7zap, it appears that the T or Q at the end of the basic part number indicates heated. S or K is unheated leather.
https://forums.vwvortex.com/showthr...5544541-Heated-steering-wheel-retrofit-G85-steering-angle-sensor-adaptation-FAQ
The basic leather heated steering wheel part number is 3D0419091T or 3D0419091Q.
If they list the color code, the code for anthracite is 7B4. I think that's for all anthracite interior parts. Even the Sunnen Beige interior has anthracite parts.
You would have to ask the sellers if they don't list the entire parts number what it is.
Grey can look black online and I have seen green or blue steering wheels and shift knobs that look brown online.
For some reason, new green shift knobs seem to be still available.
VW calls blue "petrol" sometimes for interior parts. I think it's between royal and navy blue. They could also look black online.
https://forums.vwvortex.com/showthr...5544541-Heated-steering-wheel-retrofit-G85-steering-angle-sensor-adaptation-FAQ
The basic leather heated steering wheel part number is 3D0419091T or 3D0419091Q.
If they list the color code, the code for anthracite is 7B4. I think that's for all anthracite interior parts. Even the Sunnen Beige interior has anthracite parts.
You would have to ask the sellers if they don't list the entire parts number what it is.
Grey can look black online and I have seen green or blue steering wheels and shift knobs that look brown online.
For some reason, new green shift knobs seem to be still available.
VW calls blue "petrol" sometimes for interior parts. I think it's between royal and navy blue. They could also look black online.
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Some of the Bentley ContInental GT steering wheels are similar as well, but a lot pricier.
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I think the main difference (besides the price) on them is the colors.
I think they have a lot more colors. The colors may match or may clash with a Phaeton interior.
I'm not a fan of their butterscotch leather and have seen Bentley steering wheels online in that color.
When I bought the new Bentley steering controller I found out that not all Bentley Continental steering wheels were heated. The controller I got won't work in a Phaeton because it has no terminals for the heated wheel harness.
I was thinking that maybe a Bentley wood steering wheel would be easier to find than a Phaeton wood steering wheel.
I couldn't find any used Bentley Continental wood steering wheels I liked online. The sellers of the ones I did find priced them like they were gold.
The steering wheel in my 2005 Continental is not heated. It is very similar to the Phaeton wheel with the same controllers on it otherwise, but with a bit nicer leather and trim. My Phaeton also has soft-close doors and a better stereo than the Continental.
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As it says above, the part numbers are the same, so you should be fine (the year is important). I have a pair of Touareg paddle shifters installed in my Phaeton, the only difference is the colour (they're black rather than anthracite).
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