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The infotainment is awful in our 2017. I'm surprised that the 2020 was as bad as you say though, there was supposedly a big update to the infotainment in 2019. However, in our 2017, it not only looks bad, but randomly disconnects Bluetooth and doesn't have CarPlay. Pandora is ****ing frustrating because if you plug in your iPhone to the USB port and try to use Pandora, it locks the iPhone screen and makes you use the super slow onscreen menu to navigate stations and whatnot. Very annoying. I've looked at trying to upgrade it somehow, but the aftermarket stuff looks even more clunky and buggy. We honestly don't mess with the radio much anyways so I just leave it alone and drive. The active cruise is also mediocre, but compared to other 2014 era offerings, I don't think its that bad.

As far as the drive is concerned, I think its a matter of expectations vs reality. Its not a sports sedan, and its not even an X5 competitor. I think if you go in expecting a BMW, you're going to be disappointed. However, compared to the Highlander, which was the MDX's main competitor in my purchasing decision, the MDX had steering feel which was something I wasn't really expecting, coming from our Rogue. The other thing I liked about the MDX, and I'm not sure if this is SH-AWD work, or just the tuning of the suspension, but it had that RWD-type feeling that I've gotten in BMWs (and oddly, Mazdas) where you can toss the car into the turn and once you get on the throttle it squats on the outside rear wheel and powers out of the turn. We have the normal passive dampers on ours and it rides really really well also, better than the used Highlander we looked at.

Also, tires have made a huge difference. These CrossClimates2's drive SO MUCH BETTER than the Ironmans that came on our particular car. I had driven a couple MDX's beforehand, so I knew that they drove pretty well on real rubber, but I think if I had driven our car first I probably would've stopped shopping for MDX's right there. The Ironmans had this annoying second bounce thing going on that made the car feel like the dampers were going out. Those *ing Ironmans lasted 50k miles though, so I dealt with it for a full 50k miles of bouncy *. I'm a little sad I have the factory 18s, I'm curious what the MDX would drive like on actual UHPAS tires like a AS4 or Conti DW06. They'd probably just make me even more disappointed with the brakes though, so maybe its good that I'm stuck with touring tires.

Another thing to note--ours had worn out control arm bushings at 3 years and 55k miles. We had them replaced under CPO, but I wonder if the one you drove had worn out control arm bushings that made it feel floppy.
Alright, had a little more seat time this past weekend and I checked the rubber. Yep, Carvana put some no name ChinaTires™ on it. Don't think they're being replaced anytime soon so my true performance MDX experience will have to wait.

The thing only has 24k miles on it so if there are rubber suspension bits worn, that is breaking BMW's record, but good to know.

Starting to see some of the ZF9 weirdness too. It almost reminds me of VWs late 2000s DSG. At low speeds it can get confused, then after choosing the gear tries to make up for lost time, creating a weird surge of sorts.
 
Its the downshift in the 35-45 range that surprises most
 
When I was researching these the attitude towards the zf9 transmission was split.
New car buyers reported that shifting was smooth and the trans programming was obviously refined.
Owners who had some mileage on their MDX were reporting shifting weirdness - for all years that came with the ZF9.

Current gen MDX have the honda 10 speed.
 
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Alright, had a little more seat time this past weekend and I checked the rubber. Yep, Carvana put some no name ChinaTires™ on it. Don't think they're being replaced anytime soon so my true performance MDX experience will have to wait.

The thing only has 24k miles on it so if there are rubber suspension bits worn, that is breaking BMW's record, but good to know.

Starting to see some of the ZF9 weirdness too. It almost reminds me of VWs late 2000s DSG. At low speeds it can get confused, then after choosing the gear tries to make up for lost time, creating a weird surge of sorts.
Yeah, it’s probably the **** tires. As for the zf9, it’s dramatically better in the 2019+ versions. There’s a new valve body and associated software for those cars, and the one I rode in as a passenger was much smoother. Our 2017 with the latest software is not too bad though. Any issues your in-laws have on the 2020 should have them going directly to the dealer and asking them to update the transmission software.

Anyways, we just finished our road trip to Louisiana from NC. 900 miles each way. It drove great, but thing weird that I noticed is that it got absolutely awful mileage when it was cold. It was unseasonably cold in Louisiana, and during the hour drive (it was ~30F) to one of my other in-laws houses for a Christmas party we got 20.1mpg, and 20.2 on the way back.

When we left Louisiana to head back to Nc, it was 27F and we got 20.1 again on the first tank. We filled up, and during the second tank the temp went into the 60s, and suddenly we were getting 25 again. The temp dropped again as we got into NC and the third tank was at 23mpg.

I’ve never had a car be this temp dependent, though I did notice that the temp gauge never got all the way to the middle, it was sitting just under the mid-line. In other cars, this indicated that the thermostat was bad, is the same true for the MDX? I thought they had replaced it when they did the water pump at 96k.
 
Weird about the MPG. Temp-related headwind that you didn't notice?

As for the idiot light that looks like a gauge, a little under half is where all of my cars are/have been under normal operating conditions. I'm guessing that position is good for +/- 20 degrees or more.

Anyway, sell it and get an AWD Sienna.
 
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That is really odd. I will say the few modern Acura's I've experienced have always had the temp display under middle, even in dead of summer.

Always assumed Honda just had it calibrated that way.
Yeah, you and Samson are probably right. This is my first Honda so maybe that’s normal. I’ve had a failed thermostat in an older Volvo and a Chevy Trailblazer and they both stayed cold and get terrible mileage, but their temp gauges showed temps way below the midline. My MDX is just a smidge below

Weird about the MPG. Temp-related headwind that you didn't notice?

As for the idiot light that looks like a gauge, a little under half is where all of my cars are/have been under normal operating conditions. I'm guessing that position is good for +/- 20 degrees or more.

Anyway, sell it and get an AWD Sienna.
Enh, I know you’re joking, but an AWD Sienna isn’t going to handle as nice as the MDX and my experience with Toyota Hybrid braking isn’t really much of an improvement over MDX braking. Better mileage, sure, but the extra car cost buys a ****load of premium.

While I’m posting though, any thoughts about carbon buildup in the third gen MDX? It’s a DI motor. I haven’t heard much about it, but the forums for MDXs are full of idiots that have never actually opened their hoods so I don’t trust anything written there.
 
Aside from the ticking tsb for the hpfp havent seen much. Our 16 is at 82k now. Brakes and 2nd transmission service coming up
 
This is too funny. We just did 650ish miles each way this week from FL to NC in my wife's Passport and I noticed the same thing. Our highway mileage is usually in the 24-25 MPG range; the trip up (a 30-degree day most of the way), we were around 21 MPG highway. Couldn't figure out any reason other than the temps; tires were aired up to recommended psi before the trip. Our drive back yesterday was much warmer and we got about 24.5.

Anyways, we just finished our road trip to Louisiana from NC. 900 miles each way. It drove great, but thing weird that I noticed is that it got absolutely awful mileage when it was cold. It was unseasonably cold in Louisiana, and during the hour drive (it was ~30F) to one of my other in-laws houses for a Christmas party we got 20.1mpg, and 20.2 on the way back.

When we left Louisiana to head back to Nc, it was 27F and we got 20.1 again on the first tank. We filled up, and during the second tank the temp went into the 60s, and suddenly we were getting 25 again. The temp dropped again as we got into NC and the third tank was at 23mpg.

I’ve never had a car be this temp dependent, though I did notice that the temp gauge never got all the way to the middle, it was sitting just under the mid-line. In other cars, this indicated that the thermostat was bad, is the same true for the MDX? I thought they had replaced it when they did the water pump at 96k.
 
Sometimes it's due to the wind - in my truck it can kill the MPG by 5 or so if I'm going into a 20-30 MPH headwind. Like it really has to labor to do 80 MPH into a strong headwind so I usually slow down to 65 or 70 to keep the MPG in the 20s.
 
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Sometimes it's due to the wind - in my truck it can kill the MPG by 5 or so if I'm going into a 20-30 MPH headwind. Like it really has to labor to do 80 MPH into a strong headwind so I usually slow down to 65 or 70 to keep the MPG in the 20s.
Definitely not wind. On Christmas, we went both directions with similar results. Shreveport to Ruston, LA and then back later, 20mpg both ways.

It’s weird that @tampaSi had the same result though, I wonder if the cold keeps the cylinder deactivation from kicking in.
 
My TLX can do anywhere from 20-25 MPG a tank on the same exact drives, wholly dependent on temperature. My best mileage on a road trip was about 31 MPG - can you guess where? - to the beach in the summer. I think mine has also run cool.

Weirdly the Sienna is nowhere as variable; does about 20-22 MPG year round mostly dependent on who is driving.

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we get 26-28 hwy with ac blasting and full capacity in the summer. We dont typically make winter car trips so i dont have any data for that sadly.
 
Welp, the '19 MDX SH-AWD I've posted about in this thread has been traded for an equivalent generation RX450h.

Complaints in no particular order of seriousness:
  • Infotainment UI design/font looked like a generic aftermarket unit and just wasn't nice to use
  • Said infotainment would drop calls on a weekly basis
  • Weird creak in the drivers seatback
  • ZF9 didn't attend finishing school -- gear changes were waaaay too perceptible at lower speeds
  • Combined MPG was 22 -- seems a 'lil low for one of the lightest vehicles in it's class with a 9spd..but
  • Auto start-stop never worked, even in absolutely ideal conditions (car warmed up, no AC on, mild temps etc.)
  • Odd front suspension sensation at times, like a worn bushing
It did see one Acura dealer service, so anything out of spec should've been caught.

Overall the most discombobulated and unfinished Acura/Honda product I've ever experienced.
 
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Welp, the '19 MDX SH-AWD I've posted about in this thread has been traded for an equivalent generation RX450h.

Complaints in no particular order of seriousness:
  • Infotainment UI design/font looked like a generic aftermarket unit and just wasn't nice to use
  • Said infotainment would drop calls on a weekly basis
  • Weird creak in the drivers seatback
  • ZF9 didn't attend finishing school -- gear changes were waaaay too perceptible at lower speeds
  • Combined MPG was 22 -- seems a 'lil low for one of the lightest vehicles in it's class with a 9spd..but
  • Auto start-stop never worked, even in absolutely ideal conditions (car warmed up, no AC on, mild temps etc.)
  • Odd front suspension sensation at times, like a worn bushing
It did see one Acura dealer service, so anything out of spec should've been caught.

Overall the most discombobulated and unfinished Acura/Honda product I've ever experienced.
Aw man. I tend to agree with your summary. Btw, that bad bushing could be a bad bushing, I found a bad FCA bushing at 50k miles, and yup, the infotainment is atrocious. On the ZF9, it doesn't bug me that much after the latest software flash, especially if I drive it for a while and get used to the gear changes. My BMW's almost 20 year old design GM 6AT is still head and shoulders better though.

We’ve come close to ditching ours a few times but there doesn’t really seem to be much else out there that is dramatically better for the price we paid. Our current tentative plan is to re-evaluate our needs once our daughter is facing forward in the car seat, I think we’ll be able to get away with a smaller car then but who really knows. When I bought it, my goal was to keep it to 200k and we might get there. Our 2017 has 118k on it now.

So what did you get in trade for the MDX and how bad did they soak you for the RX?
 
Maybe the previous owner really dogged this thing in the 20k mi he had it, or it was built on a Friday. Dunno, but it should be a good car in theory: aluminum control arms, lower H-point, and COG than the previous gen, etc.

Wasn't there for the dealio, but I think they gave $31.5k for the MDX (it's value went down quite a bit these last 6mos).

The RX was around $33ish I want to say (but also 2yrs older and 20k more mi), haven't driven it yet.
 
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I meant to update this thread after our road trip last week but got busy.

Anyways, we drove Asheville to Beaufort, NC for a beach trip and I was reminded about how damn good of a road trip car this thing is (especially if its flat and straight). Lots of space, nice ride, comfy seats, plenty of power. This thing loves hot weather, we got 28.1mpg on one tank and 27.6 on the other one. When you get good mileage on this car, the range is bananas, over 500 miles is easy.

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The ACC is still jerky, but I'm used to it and can anticipate when its going to go WOT for no reason or pulse the brakes so I have muscle memory for the cancel button. Would it be nice if it was smoother? Hell yeah. Does it still actively annoy me? Nah.

In other happenings, my wife went to the Walmart for some groceries, and while she was inside, they were painting the lot lines outside. And they managed to massively overspray yellow paint all over the side of the ****ing car. I got a quote for paint removal and it was only $300. I wanted it to be higher so my insurance company could go after the shopping center, but as is, its below my deductible so I went after it with some lacquer thinner. I was able to get it mostly off--I've got some speckles here and there that I missed the first time but I'll come back and get them a little later. Hopefully my clearcoat isn't completely dead from the lacquer thinner, the body shop I talked to said it would be fine, hopefully they're right.

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While I was stripping the paint off, I realized how completely ****ed the paint is on the car. Like every panel has a stone chip or scratch and my wife has completely destroyed the rear bumper getting the stroller in and out. I'm thinking we're in this thing for the long haul--it presents so badly and I'll bet resale is going to be complete trash.

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Well, it’s gone.

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Figured I’d do a postmortem on this thing. We started to have a bit of a “dentist drill” sound in the car this summer. I figured it was the tires, the CrossClimates are known to be noisy as they wear. However, shortly before Thanksgiving, the noise started to get louder and I figure that maybe it was a wheel bearing. It sounded strange for a wheel bearing though, different than the last time. I took it to a Honda shop to diagnose and the tech noticed that the noise got quieter when on the throttle and got louder off the throttle and he concluded that it was the final drive in the transmission. A factory rebuilt transmission is $4K, $2K labor. The tech said, “It’s not going to blow up right away, you’ve probably got 6 months before it actually fails. If you like the car, start budgeting for a transmission replacement, if not, start shopping for a new car to trade it in on.”

My initial reaction was just to replace the transmission, but on our trip to Louisiana for Thanksgiving, we got 21mpg on premium and I noticed that the shocks were getting worn. The brakes were approaching needing to be replaced. The little rust bubble on the rear window frame was growing. It was time for this car to go.

We traded it in on a Mazda CX50 a couple weeks ago and said goodbye, we’re probably not going to buy a newer Honda product for a while.
 
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