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#61 ·
Re: (Seanathan)

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I know. But I'm still waiting for the official release. I'm sure the majority of the upgrade is going just to the dealers for their own stgIII's. Until then, I'm still saying "two weeks"
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I called them yesterday and the gentleman I spoke to said he could ship me one that day. They are in stock and shipping now.
 
#62 ·
Re: (VDUBNDizzy)

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Don't forget the ECS and APR cams
Greddy turbo kit
Rennen's ProTuner SE
and the newest contender..............
nebulight's/Crower's rods for AWW/P pistons.
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OH man forgot those!!!
Matt, Adams right. I'm sure we'll see the rods before anything on that list. I completely agree.




Modified by Seanathan at 12:09 PM 10-16-2004
 
#63 ·
Re: Re: (GT Mech Eng)

My fellow vwvortexer , when it comes to business i know what im talking about ( i own one) ! The whole world works for a profit ! Every company has their own way of generating a good profit margin as does APR ! Now by them selling just software would be plain STUPID !
especially giving the fact they r&d their own kits . Bottom line is they give you a complete kit that works perfic , yeah its a bit expensive but its headach free !
Keep in mind they sell turbo kits . They dont sell standalone !
 
#64 ·
Re: Re: (VDUBNDizzy)

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So I guess Hondata is a bad business since they are releasing end user software that basically provides results similar to what ECU Composer (APR's tuning software) could provide. Oh wait, Hondata is extremely successful.

Last time I checked, Hondata isn't free. So you are telling me they released the software to anyone who wants it to modify their ECU program? I doubt it. If they are, it is likely because the technology has become readily available from another source. Once its in the public domain, is it pointless to try and sell it. Some of you seem to think that the "benelovent businesses" exist everywhere, but they are few and far between. And are nearly always not for profit. People don't spend their time, money, and energy making a product to make the world a better place 99% of the time. They do it to make money. I know it makes us all feel good to think someone will develop open source programming for our engines and give it away for free like candy, but it isn't happening. Ask nerdhotrod if he will give his stuff out for free after working on it for a year. If I was him, I wouldn't and no one should expect him to.
 
#65 ·
Re: Re: (mj6234)

No kidding it's not free. And where did I say it was or that APR should release said software for free?
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That was a bad assumption. Release = make available to the public in some shape or form, not distribute for free.
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#66 ·
Re: Re: (VDUBNDizzy)

you guys - take it outside
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If the stage 3+ lives up to expectations it will be an expensive alternative to custom setups with stock reliability.
Having said that i have two points.
a) to some, reliability is worth money - don't get me wrong if i could get APR for the prices that people are building BT kits for i certainly wouldn't turn my nose up at it. I also realize that they have to make a profit. how much of a profit depends on its compitition. If there are no other (FULL) kits on the market that offer the same reliability - a business will charge more. its to be expected - this (if i was running a business - i feel it is a good idea) as long as you don't price it so far off that people don't buy and it impacts demand. I'm willing to pay for quality too - but only to a point will most people follow this - once something of similar quality and results is available - they will loose more and more of there business unless they drop the price. expect that when people start trading their MK4's in for MK5's 2.0 T's and or STi's (hehe) i bet we'll see some price changes.
b) by heart says this kit is worth 3999.99 to me, but my brain says its work 4800.00+ for the guys from APR. i wish they could meet somewhere inbetween !

PS - what about north of the boarder dealers APR guys ? !
 
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#67 ·
Re: Re: (Driverwanted)

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you guys - take it outside
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If the stage 3+ lives up to expectations it will be an expensive alternative to custom setups with stock reliability.
Having said that i have two points.
a) to some, reliability is worth money - don't get me wrong if i could get APR for the prices that people are building BT kits for i certainly wouldn't turn my nose up at it. I also realize that they have to make a profit. how much of a profit depends on its compitition. If there are no other (FULL) kits on the market that offer the same reliability - a business will charge more. its to be expected - this (if i was running a business - i feel it is a good idea) as long as you don't price it so far off that people don't buy and it impacts demand. I'm willing to pay for quality too - but only to a point will most people follow this - once something of similar quality and results is available - they will loose more and more of there business unless they drop the price. expect that when people start trading their MK4's in for MK5's 2.0 T's and or STi's (hehe) i bet we'll see some price changes.
b) by heart says this kit is worth 3999.99 to me, but my brain says its work 4800.00+ for the guys from APR. i wish they could meet somewhere inbetween !

PS - what about north of the boarder dealers APR guys ? !

Indeed, reliability goes a long way with cost. To me, if the stage 3+ lives up to its expecations of HP and reliability the kit will be worth it, although the 28r just isn't enough power for some people like me. One thing I think APR should include is there FMIC. The price will abviously be adjusted accordingly but should be included with the turbo kit with a giant discount. http://****************.com/smile/emthup.gif
 
#69 ·
Re: Re: (MRballer337)

i hear ya brotha 260 whp aint cutting it for me ! but this + kit should be reall nice from what i have heard .
I was told nothing but g-force from 4k to 7k , pulls hard !
And if you think about it people who dont have a apr stage 3 have the upper hand ! They dont have to pay the price that the current owners have to pay ! for example the reg stage 3 is 4,500 ,,,, im guessing the + will be 5k , new buyer pays 5k .
Now current owners w/stg3 have to pay an upgrade fee more or less of 2k for the + which includes upgraded software , injectors , turbo .
new buyer 5k
current owner upgrading 4,500 + 2,000 = 6,500 in total . difference is 2k which leaves the new buyer room for the apr fmic and 800 bucks to spare .
so if anyone should be bitchen it should be me having to ditch out 2k !!!!!
But all in all i really like the quality of the kit and thats why i personaly bought it ! it will always perform again and again without the head ach of tweaking ! http://****************.com/smile/emthup.gif
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#70 ·
Re: Re: (MRballer337)

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The price will abviously be adjusted accordingly but should be included with the turbo kit with a giant discount. http://****************.com/smile/emthup.gif

I totaly agree - it is really a bad decision to not include this in the package some how..... yes some people may have a FMIC already - but if they don't they should get one. If i was APR i would want to do as much as possible to make sure it's my FMIC - so when buying a 5000K kit it should be offered at cost. worst case senario is they get a tonne of advertizing
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and still make money off the sale of the kit.
 
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#71 ·
Re: Re: (Driverwanted)

It will still make good power with the stock IC, just not for more than a few pulls in a row.
The 28RS is realy not all that much bigger than the 28R, and it pushes a cooler charge at the same boost levels.
 
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Re: Re: (Wolk's Wagon)

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It will still make good power with the stock IC, just not for more than a few pulls in a row.

If you can't afford the intercooler, maybe you shouldn't be stepping up to stg 3+.
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#73 ·
Re: Re: (VDUBNDizzy)

I've logged alot of miles with the stock IC and big FMIC on APR Stg3, and can tell you. That you better not be sleeping, when the car with smic spools, cause he might just smack you down a car lenght or two, before you get a chance to play catch up, and we all know that is tough to do, before you run out of track.
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#74 ·
Re: Re: (Driverwanted)

first of all if you look at the real cost of a diy pieced together turbo kit they often total over the 5k apr is asking for the stg3+. although most costs do include the intercooler. but even so its really not any cheaper.
second, you get reliabilty and PROPER tuning.
third, if i was operating a bussiness i wouldnt just throw profit concern's out the window because of customer loyalty. when you bought your car was vw so grateful that they offered you another car for cost since they already profited from you? i highly doubt it.
 
#75 ·
Re: Re: (Wolk's Wagon)

Quote, originally posted by Wolk’s Wagon »
I've logged alot of miles with the stock IC and big FMIC on APR Stg3, and can tell you. That you better not be sleeping, when the car with smic spools, cause he might just smack you down a car lenght or two, before you get a chance to play catch up, and we all know that is tough to do, before you run out of track.
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Okay. So a larger intake tract is going to give the SMIC car a 2 car jump and then will be heatsoaked. Then what? The FMIC car will never catch up. Okay.
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#76 ·
Re: Re: (VDUBNDizzy)

Won't be heat soaked till the top of 4th gear or so, and if the weather is cool, it might not heat soak at all.
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#78 ·
Re: Re: (VDUBNDizzy)

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Won't be heat soaked till the top of 4th gear or so, and if the weather is cool, it might not heat soak at all.

4th gear or 3rd, it doesn't matter. The point is that you are getting heat soaked, which you shouldn't be. In my opinion, using a SMIC on a 28RS is just not a good idea.


Modified by GT Mech Eng at 5:29 PM 10-17-2004
 
#79 ·
I never said it's a good idea,or that it's the perfered setup, just that it could still be run that way, without much of a problem. Point being I don't think the Stg3+ kit should be bundled with a FMIC because the price would be high and all the people on here who couldn't afford it would be jumping up and down, saying "I could buy a $200 FMIC off E-bay and save my money for other mods.
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bla bla bla......." You know we've all heard it before.
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