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#21 ·
Re: (vwdude53)

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what are you talking about?!
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i see really no trouble for either manufactors!

You see no issue with taking multiple thousands of dollars off of the price of your products - even the new ones - just to get them out the door?
 
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#23 ·
Re: (vwdude53)

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are you kidding?! well, actually, Ford has always been doing great. so maybe not a BIG jump. but their on a roll! with the new Mustang, the Ford GT, their new F-series line-up, the Ford 500, and the SVT Focus! not to mention the possible Shelby Cobra from Ford!
yeah, all three big manufactors are doing just fine! i think GM needs to make more of their cars "exciting"!

Um, not really. The F150 was not meeting sales expectations for a while (it is pretty though). The GT is not exactly a high volume vehicle. The 500 drew yawns at NAIAS last year, and likewise elsewhere. We'll see on that one. Freestyle? The Pacifica does not meet Chrysler expectations so why would the Freestyle work?
The Mustang is what they have going for them.
I agree on the up and down nature of DC and VW. They are just so inconsistent. DC is on an upswing bigtime with the 300C, but how long will that last? Hopefully they can correct their transmissions soon...
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The industry is soft for everyone though. It's not like any single company is doing super well.
 
#24 ·
Re: (vwdude53)

Well, I drove a CTS-V last weekend and I loved it. I'm currently looking for one at auction through a dealer friend ofmine. Great car. Period, without all the fanboy hype of an M3 and even an S4 to some extent (althought the M3 and S4 are great cars). Plus, they are so stealth and you don't see many. Having friends inside the auto industry that know that plant, and working for a Japanese automaker myself, I can say that the domestics aren't all that bad, but what is cheapend up the customer sees. The Japanese are cheaping stuff up too--they're just better at hiding it
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#25 ·
Re: (3WheelGTi)

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Freestyle? The Pacifica does not meet Chrysler expectations so why would the Freestyle work?

I think the Pacifica's main problem was that it was priced and positioned too high. IIRC, once Chrysler brought out lesser-equipped models for volume, their sales improved significantly. That said, I think the Freestyle will do better, at least because of Ford's larger retail network and fleet presence.
With both the Pacifica, Freestyle, Pilot and Highlander all going towards the comfort side, one thing I'd really like to see is a more performance-oriented crossover from either Pontiac or Saturn to compete with the Murano. http://****************.com/smile/emthup.gif
 
#26 ·
Re: (gas, meet foot)

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I see Chrysler as a manic depressive company - kinda like VW. They release an innovative product, then bungle quality issue or general business decisions and enter a bust. Dodge Caravan -> bust in early 1990's. Viper, Dodge Ram, intrepid, stratus, et al -> bust in late 1990's, then Daimler merger. PT Cruiser, 300C, return of the hemi -> ??.

I never thought about it that way, but that's very true...
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#28 ·
Re: (SpeedRicer)

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I think the Pacifica's main problem was that it was priced and positioned too high. IIRC, once Chrysler brought out lesser-equipped models for volume, their sales improved significantly. That said, I think the Freestyle will do better, at least because of Ford's larger retail network and fleet presence.

Of course, Chrysler's also been dumping Pacificas on fleets to boost sales and reduce inventory as well.
I'm still not convinved of the Freestyle's long-term chances of success. Perhaps its move SUV-esque look over the Pacifica will make a diffference.
 
#29 ·
Re: (bgluckman)

The Freestyle will emerge as the volume hit among the new Ford lineup, in my opinion. C&D panned it for low-power, but gave it good marks for interior, utility, and interior quiet, and it looks more interesting than the Five Hundred. Seems like it fills that crossover, I-don't-want-an-SUV-nor-a-minivan niche well. Overall, the company has a sharp triumvirate in its lineup in the F150, Mustang, and Freestyle.
As for GM, giving Olds the Axe and bringing-in Lutz bought them time, implying to Wall Street that someone was willing to make big change at the company. Now, though, investors want to know if anything's going to stick. The GTO landed with a thud, and now the profit leaders like the H2 are ailing. GM has no product in the pipeline that are hybrids, diesels, or CVT's.
The real demand in the next 10 years is going to be for practical cars that get 30-40 mpg (see the Accord Hybrid), and GM won't be playing in that market.
 
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#30 ·
Re: (3WheelGTi)

i'm not worried about the F-150 (by the way, it looks 10 times better
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http://****************.com/smile/emthup.gif ) i don't think Ford is either. ha, yeah i know the GT isn't a high volume car, it's not supposed to be. i also think the Freestyle will do better than the Pacifica actually! and the 500 isn't the greatest thing i know, but it sounds like a great car for around $20k
what i mostly meant by "Ford is on a roll" was that they have great new cars with lots of style, and good looks! the Ford GT is beautiful for one! http://****************.com/smile/emthup.gif and i'm really excited to see whether Ford will produce the Shelby Cobra again!
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Modified by vwdude53 at 7:03 PM 12-7-2004
 
#31 ·
Re: (Big M)

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Taurus was run off the road by the Camry and Accord.

Yes, since Ford managed to f-up Taurus back in 1996 they have sold less
of them compared to Camry and/or Accord. BUT still, YTD 2004 Ford sold
216,838 Tauruses. I believe, this is more than total VW sales YTD (that hertz).
 
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