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Re: how much boost can i run with 10.5~:1 compression? (BlackRado)

head spec's arent gonna make much difference since they wont change the compression if it is actually 10.5:1. ur gonna need good fuel management with that high compression. r u running the n/a 8v motor or did u upgrade the G60 pistons?
 
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Re: how much boost can i run with 10.5~:1 compression? (Golf8VTurbo25)

the engine is stock the reason i am asking this is because my buddy is getting rid of his head and it is in great shape. wanted to buy it from him and put it in the rado, but i had heard bad things about boost and high compression, what do you suggest i upgrade/swap out if i use this head
 
Re: how much boost can i run with 10.5~:1 compression? (BlackRado)

bring this question into the F/I forums they will help u out better. the G60 head has better valves for the extra heat created with boost so its alot safer to run. go to the experts though maybe someone with more experience will pop in here but that might take a while its slow during the day
 
Re: how much boost can i run with 10.5~:1 compression? (BlackRado)

Quote, originally posted by BlackRado »
thank you....

Decking the head on a 12v doesnt change compression, that might be what your thinking off. cant comment on a g60 head, cuase i dont kow if it has combustion chambers in head
 
Re: how much boost can i run with 10.5~:1 compression? (BlackRado)

If you also want to lower the compression go with a thicker head gasket...or even a head spacer.....with two head gaskets.....turbo car....you have to bring down the compression....otherwise....lets just say you WILL have big holes in your pistons
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melt down baby.....or you could just stay low boost
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yea right...we all have the same adiction....so faster it is.....
do it right the first time.....its worth the extra time and money......
oh and get rid of the big cams.....go to 256....maybe 248 ask around....just don't do the 272....=bam.....oh look no engine
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Modified by EURO_POWER at 3:05 PM 3-3-2005
 
Re: how much boost can i run with 10.5~:1 compression? (NVmyVW)

Quote, originally posted by NVmyVW »

Decking the head on a 12v doesnt change compression, that might be what your thinking off. cant comment on a g60 head, cuase i dont kow if it has combustion chambers in head

everyone keeps assuming he's got a VR, VR it wont make a diff. but 8v, 16v, and 20v its will raise C/R
Now where are you getting the 10.5:1 , is that the c/r of your friends motor w/ that head, ??? b/c it prolly will raise the c/r on the G60 block but not to 10.5:1 need more specifics before can say whether you got something to worry about
 
Re: how much boost can i run with 10.5~:1 compression? (NVmyVW)

Quote, originally posted by NVmyVW »
Decking the head on a 12v doesnt change compression, that might be what your thinking off. cant comment on a g60 head, cuase i dont kow if it has combustion chambers in head

You are correct sir, on a VR6 you can deck with no change in the CR because the head does not have the combustion chamber.
On a G60 or any VW 4 banger decking the head most certainly will change the CR.
I *think* i remember reading in a post that 1mm is a full point of compression but I'd have to go back and check to be sure. I'm not sure if anyone has figured it out for certain as most of the searches I have done it's just a "best guess"
Back to your regularly sceduled programing.
Charlie
 
Re: how much boost can i run with 10.5~:1 compression? (BlackRado)

high compression and boost are a decent combination for an extremely responsive engine... the only problem is your margin of error is extremely reduced... by that I mean that your chances of detonation, pinging and knocking are drastically increased, which means that your air/fuel ratio must be spot on, and you can't ever lean out while trying to run the gears out...
higher compression will result in faster spool time, lower boost threshold, better off boost performance, and better gas milage while tooling around out of boost.
untimately it's more of a matter of how much abuse your pistons, cylinders and crank can take ... the end result is all that much more pressure at the point of compression of the air ...
a little information ... you have to consider the resultant total compression when considering the engines potential. If you're at a 10:1 compression ratio that means that if stoic is 14.7 pounds per square inch, then at full compression the air is compressed to 147psi ... when you add forced induction and lets say you're boosting to 10psi, then the engine is compressing the air in the cylinder to a 10:1 compression ratio to what is being put in ... so at 10psi of boost, the air is actually at 24.7 pounds per square inch, once the piston pushes up against the closed valves and the head, you've got 247psi at full compression...
this is why lowering the base compression ratio helps on FI applications ... you can shove more air into the piston, because the resultant TOTAL compression is lessened... off boost power will also be reduced, but your able to supply more air while in boost ... it's a trade off for more power later, rather than sooner.
 
Re: how much boost can i run with 10.5~:1 compression? (90corrado_g60)

Quote, originally posted by 90corrado_g60 »
i was thinking of the 12v because most g60s have died
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off by now

248,000 miles and still running strong, how's your VR doing.
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Re: how much boost can i run with 10.5~:1 compression? (ExtremeVR6)

Quote, originally posted by ExtremeVR6 »

higher compression will result in faster spool time, lower boost threshold, better off boost performance, and better gas milage while tooling around out of boost.

If you were curious, it has been proven that compression does not effect spool time (turbo engine). I thought the same thing myself, but that appears to be untrue.
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edit- before someone calls bs, look at the boost pressure vs. rpm plot.
http://www.boosted-hybrid.com/...ssion


Modified by leebro61 at 5:18 PM 3-3-2005
 
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