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What is the difference? I'm assuming the fallowing.
Type-R gets the better interior (recaro seats) and is marketed as a sports car. I'm sure it has had its AC deleted along with trunk lining and sound deadening material.
Type-S gains leather seats and "luxury" upgrades because it is marketed as a "Luxury Coupe".
So beyond my guessing are the same? Same suspension, engine, transmission? I'm seriously thinking of taking everyone’s criticism and getting a Type-S. We got one here that has been sitting for 3 months, 2002, 30k miles, 18,700k.
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I would offer 15,500.
Also, the side airbags in the RSX, are those in the seats or the chassis?

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Re: USDM RSX Type S vs JDM Integra Type-R (munkey)

Think of it this way
US Type-S is the replacement for the old GSR
JDM type-r is a replacement for the type-R
Definitely not the same beasts. (not that the Type-S is a bad car)
 
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Re: USDM RSX Type S vs JDM Integra Type-R (passatW86sp)

Totally different. I met with the JDM Integra Type R lead chassis development engineer and after talking to him and looking at a technical presenation, I truly think that car was designed as a Type R car from the ground up--The RSX was created from cheaper, lower performance parts. Also, the JDM Type R cannot pass US emissions.
 
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Re: USDM RSX Type S vs JDM Integra Type-R (Corbic)

The side airbags are in the seats.
As far as basic horsepower ratings go, the 2005 RSX-S is at 210hp vs the 220ps of the JDM ITR. I've read that the '05 RSX-S has more JDM ITR content in the engine, such as the cams. I can't say that with certainty, however.
 
Discussion starter · #8 ·
Re: USDM RSX Type S vs JDM Integra Type-R (330R)

Do they have the "Type-S" in Japan as something? Also what is the difference in price between the two. I was told the Old Type-R was only 25k or so back in 2000.
 
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Re: USDM RSX Type S vs JDM Integra Type-R (Corbic)

There is no "Type-S" or equivalent in Japan, no. You either take the 160hp version or pony up for the Type-R.
Another key feature of the JDM Type-R over the Type-S is the helical limited-slip differential. Various RSX-S owners actually pay $1200+ for a Type-R transmission from Japan to swap in to gain the LSD. It's good to know you could take a Type-S and "Type-Rify" it if you wanted to. The biggest pain is the leather interior though.
Mike
 
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Re: USDM RSX Type S vs JDM Integra Type-R (Corbic)

The RSX-S is understated. It is affordable, has 210HP, 6 sp, very nimble (3-400lbs lighter than a TSX) and a 8000rpm redline. Great ingredients for fun.


Modified by Saintor at 8:46 AM 4-24-2005
 
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Re: USDM RSX Type S vs JDM Integra Type-R (Corbic)

If the differences are the same as the previous generation GS-R and Type-R, then it's more extensive than the typical performance/sport package.
Engine and transmission:
-Higher-compression, molybdenum coated forged pistons
-Higher-performance camshafts and lighter valve gear
-Larger throttle body and single-port intake manifold
-Hand ported/polished intake and exhaust ports
-Fully balanced and assembled by hand
-Higher flowing exhaust system
-Light-weight flywheel
-Oil cooler
-Torque-sensitive helical limited slip differential
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"Originally only two of the best mechanics at Honda port and polished by hand. At this time only 25 engines a day could be created. During the last several production years 5 mechanics have been working full time on port and polishing in order to increase production."
Chassis and Suspension:
-Revised spring/shock combinations and ride height
-Revised front & rear sway bars
-Larger disc brakes with refined, lightweight ABS modulator
-Larger wheel bearings and 5-bolt hubs
-Firmer suspension bushings
-Greatly improved body rigidity by adding reinforcements in several key areas
-Aerodynamic enhancements resulting in 30% reduction in lift coefficient and a 1% improvement in drag coefficient
-Various interior enhancements
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Re: USDM RSX Type S vs JDM Integra Type-R (MikeNoGo)

Quote, originally posted by MikeNoGo »
There is no "Type-S" or equivalent in Japan, no. You either take the 160hp version or pony up for the Type-R.
Another key feature of the JDM Type-R over the Type-S is the helical limited-slip differential. Various RSX-S owners actually pay $1200+ for a Type-R transmission from Japan to swap in to gain the LSD. It's good to know you could take a Type-S and "Type-Rify" it if you wanted to. The biggest pain is the leather interior though.
Mike

Just to clarify, there is a Type-S in Japan, however it does only have 160hp, like mentioned before.
 
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Re: USDM RSX Type S vs JDM Integra Type-R (riceburner)

So in theory one could make a Type-S into an R clone? Or are there additional welds and difference in the actual chassis? My understanding right now is, up-grade internals, upgrade brakes + suspension, and upgrade interior and transmission and you will have the metaphorical equivalent to a Type-R. Or is this more like the Lancer vs. Evo thing, where the Evolutions chassis is not the same as the Lancer's, having more welds and parts moved all around.
 
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Re: USDM RSX Type S vs JDM Integra Type-R (Corbic)

Quote, originally posted by Corbic »
So in theory one could make a Type-S into an R clone? My understanding right now is, up-grade internals, upgrade brakes + suspension, and upgrade interior and transmission and you will have the metaphorical equivalent to a Type-R.

why would you want to upgrade to ITR internals? when the ITR only makes 7BHP more then a u.s. spec Type-S? the 05 Type-S's also have an ITR final drive.
get a type-s, aem cai, a nice exhaust system & Hondata ECu reflash. it will make a lot more power then a stock type-R.
anyhow, Check out ClubRSX.Com for better responses to your interest http://****************.com/smile/emthup.gif


Modified by a2a4raddo at 4:52 PM 4-24-2005
 
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Re: USDM RSX Type S vs JDM Integra Type-R (riceburner)

Quote, originally posted by riceburner »
The ITR engines are not hand polished anymore.

I should sure hope not! The 220ps JDM Type-R works out to 217hp, which is only 7hp more than our RSX Type-S. I'd hate to think some guy wastes all his time hand-porting the engine only to have it make a whole 7hp more, probably all of which comes from the different intake manifold anyway.
 
#18 ·
Re: USDM RSX Type S vs JDM Integra Type-R (posjetta)

I'm fairly sure that the hand port and polishing and additional chassis bracing only applied to the last generation Integra. The current Integra Type-R motor is not hand P&P'd, and, while the suspension tuning might be different, the chassis is identical between base and R models.
Thus it's a lot easier to convert an RSX to Type-R spec then it was for, say, a GS-R to the previous R. Plus, I think the 2005 Type-S motor is essentially a federalized Type-R motor.
To make a decent, if not perfect Type-R conversion you'd need seats, limited slip, wheels, brakes, and shocks/dampers; some suspension bushings might be different too.
The big difference of course, after doing all that, is the converted Type-S would still weigh quite a bit more. There's the moonroof, plus a lot of extra sound deadening I'm sure.


Modified by dunny at 10:09 PM 4-24-2005
 
Discussion starter · #19 ·
Re: USDM RSX Type S vs JDM Integra Type-R (dunny)

Quote, originally posted by dunny »
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The big difference of course, after doing all that, is the converted Type-S would still weigh quite a bit more. There's the moonroof, plus a lot of extra sound deadening I'm sure.

You can't get one with out a moonroof?!?
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I hate those things so much, its my #1 bitch about the current Si and tC.
Oh well. Please tell me I can get a white Type-S with a black interior.
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Anyway, I think I'm hooked on the Type-S, need to go drive one this week. I also might be getting a new job, 800 more a month and I would be driving 300 miles less a week. Hell yeah.
 
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Re: USDM RSX Type S vs JDM Integra Type-R (posjetta)

Quote, originally posted by posjetta »
If the differences are the same as the previous generation GS-R and Type-R, then it's more extensive than the typical performance/sport package.
Engine and transmission:
-Higher-compression, molybdenum coated forged pistons
-Higher-performance camshafts and lighter valve gear
-Larger throttle body and single-port intake manifold
-Hand ported/polished intake and exhaust ports
-Fully balanced and assembled by hand
-Higher flowing exhaust system
-Light-weight flywheel
-Oil cooler
-Torque-sensitive helical limited slip differential
Image

"Originally only two of the best mechanics at Honda port and polished by hand. At this time only 25 engines a day could be created. During the last several production years 5 mechanics have been working full time on port and polishing in order to increase production."
Chassis and Suspension:
-Revised spring/shock combinations and ride height
-Revised front & rear sway bars
-Larger disc brakes with refined, lightweight ABS modulator
-Larger wheel bearings and 5-bolt hubs
-Firmer suspension bushings
-Greatly improved body rigidity by adding reinforcements in several key areas
-Aerodynamic enhancements resulting in 30% reduction in lift coefficient and a 1% improvement in drag coefficient
-Various interior enhancements


Basically, the only difference between the USDM K20A2 sold here in the states (aka type S RSX) and the k20A in the JDM ITR is a revised intake manifold, exhaust manifold, slighly more aggressive camshafts and a small bump in compression, otherwise there isn't much of a difference at all.
But these new K series motors are very powerful, people are putting down 250 WHP owith just an intake, custom header and K-Pro ECU tuning.
The motor is very square and built for revs 86bore*86mm stroke. K series motors have way more potential then the old B series motors....


Modified by 8KRedline at 7:11 PM 4-24-2005
 
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