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I found a Phaeton with a factory installed television tuner in it at my Zurich VW dealer today. I took some pictures of the menus available to the user on the J523 Front Information Display and Control Head. This option has caught my interest, because it appears at first glance that it would not be too difficult to retrofit to a North American Phaeton. It seems that all that would be needed is the TV tuner itself, which is a separate control module that fits under the hat shelf at the back of the car (where many other control modules are), and a little bit of re-coding of the J523 to indicate to it that a TV tuner is present. I am assuming that the NAR Phaetons have the TV antennas built into the rear window glass, same as the European Phaetons, but I have not confirmed this assumption.
The first screen picture shows what the driver is presented with when the Audio/TV button is pressed, if the TV button in the lower left of the J523 (where NAR Phaetons have the FM button) has also been pressed. No picture is available, because this Phaeton was sitting indoors.
The second screen shows what appears if the ‘Settings’ button is pressed from the first screen. There are various choices, the usual brightness, contrast, and colour, as well as the choice of off-the-air TV reception, or display of an AV signal from an external input such as a DVD player or a television camera. There are two AV inputs available – both are open (unassigned) when the Phaeton is delivered. It is up to the driver to hook up additional AV devices if he or she wants. My guess is that these probably plug into the TV tuner module.
The third screen picture shows the various regions of the world that can be selected, for the purpose of specifying what TV signal modulation (PAL, NTSC, SECAM, etc.) is being used in that region. This screen will appear if the ‘TV Standard’ button is pressed from the second screen.
Michael
Main Control Page for Television Tuner
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Screen that appears if 'Settings' is pressed from the main page
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Screen that appears if 'TV Standard' is pressed from the second page
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Discussion starter · #2 ·
Re: Television Tuner - original Dresden installation in Phaeton (PanEuropean)

The television tuner is not contained in the J523 (pictured above), the same way the CD changer is not contained in the J523 either. The TV tuner is a physically separate controller (controller R78 at address 57), I think the part number for it is 3D0 919 146, but I am not sure about that.
Michael
 
Re: Television Tuner - original Dresden installation in Phaeton (PanEuropean)

I have seen it, but on a Touareg.
However now in Germany, they have started integrating Digital TV tuners, but I don't think they've found a way in a Phaeton yet and i don't know what if different countries standarts are compatible.


Modified by Highline at 5:00 PM 5-28-2005
 
Re: Television Tuner - original Dresden installation in Phaeton (Highline)

They say the average American using a cell phone while driving is just as dangerous on the highway as a person would be after drinking 4 beers. Now can you think of an American driving with a TV running on the dash? That'd be like drinking 4 beers and 3 Long Island Teas while spanking 2 kids in the back seat!!
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Re: Television Tuner - original Dresden installation in Phaeton (PanEuropean)

If someone is willing to pick up parts, at my cost, from Gremany I would be willing to give it a try and write a set-up if it works. I have been wanting to try this since I got the car. http://****************.com/smile/emthup.gif
 
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Re: Television Tuner - original Dresden installation in Phaeton (vwtdipwr)

Hi Ron:
My guess (strictly a guess, but a fairly educated one) is that the only part you would need is the TV tuner, which fits under the hatshelf. This assumes that the wiring harness in the vehicle already has provision for this tuner - and I don't know if it does or not. But, you could find out pretty easily, just by having a look.
The tough part will be recoding the J523 Front Information Display and Control Head to recognize that there is a TV tuner attached. We here on the forum know a little bit about coding of that module - for example, the second digit from the right in the coding value (the digit in the '10s' position) is used to indicate if a TV tuner is installed. This is well documented in the VAG-COM label files - I wrote those files.
Where the rub will be is the matter of button reassignment on the J523 itself, to support the TV function. On the European Phaetons, only a single button is used for AM and FM, and it is a toggle. The 'other' button is used to select TV. North American Phaetons use one button for AM, another for FM, and yet another for the frequency scan process. I think that we do not have the ability to recode the J523 to reassign the buttons. That means one would have to purchase a European spec J523, and that is a very expensive proposition, particularly if it is done on spec - meaning, without knowing if it would work or not. I can think of one problem right off the bat - if one did purchase a European spec J523 and installed it in a North American car, there would be problems with both AM and FM frequency spacing, because a different spec is used in Europe.
The short answer, I think, is that we won't be able to implement this until VW elects to support it in North America. I'm actually kind of surprised that they don't offer it, because the picture goes blank (black) the instant the car starts to move. That seems pretty low-risk to me.
Michael
 
Re: Television Tuner - original Dresden installation in Phaeton (PanEuropean)

I'm actually kind of surprised that they don't offer it, because the picture goes blank (black) the instant the car starts to move. That seems pretty low-risk to me
i could not agree mor with that statement but i would still like to give it a try. i have nothing but time and access to 1552 and vag-com tool to play with it. im me off line from this post if we could try and make this happen.
thanks for the time


Modified by vwtdipwr at 8:35 PM 6-2-2005
 
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Re: Television Tuner - original Dresden installation in Phaeton (vwtdipwr)

Hi Ron:
I would be happy to pick up a TV Tuner module for you next time I am in Europe, and ship it to you. No problem there. The only concern that I have is this: I don't think that the VAG-COM, a VAS 1551 or a VAS 5052 is sufficient to make the changes that need to be made to enable display of the video signal on the J523 Front Information Display and Control Head, and to re-assign the buttons on the J523 (the buttons around the volume knob) to allow you to select the input you want. My guess is that you will need a VAS 5163 or similar, and that type of programming tool is not available at the dealership level. If you are on really good terms with your local tech rep or QA manager, you might be able to make it work - but, you will have to know exactly what binary bits to change in the EPROM of the J523 in order to get things set up right.
Let's keep the discussion here in the forum, rather than off-line in IM format. By keeping it in the forum, we can better share the information with others who may be interested, and might have good ideas to contribute.
Michael
 
Re: Television Tuner - original Dresden installation in Phaeton (PanEuropean)

Quote, originally posted by PanEuropean »
Hi Ron:
I would be happy to pick up a TV Tuner module for you next time I am in Europe, and ship it to you. No problem there. The only concern that I have is this: I don't think that the VAG-COM, a VAS 1551 or a VAS 5052 is sufficient to make the changes that need to be made to enable display of the video signal on the J523 Front Information Display and Control Head, and to re-assign the buttons on the J523 (the buttons around the volume knob) to allow you to select the input you want. My guess is that you will need a VAS 5163 or similar, and that type of programming tool is not available at the dealership level. If you are on really good terms with your local tech rep or QA manager, you might be able to make it work - but, you will have to know exactly what binary bits to change in the EPROM of the J523 in order to get things set up right.
Let's keep the discussion here in the forum, rather than off-line in IM format. By keeping it in the forum, we can better share the information with others who may be interested, and might have good ideas to contribute.
Michael

Michael,
I would like to give it a try. I have a great relationship with the head service rep in Florida. I am sure i could get access to scan tools we may need. the lead tech at the dealer i bought my car from is a good friend and willing to play with the car also.
thanks again, i will keep in touch
 
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Re: Television Tuner - original Dresden installation in Phaeton (vwtdipwr)

OK. Next time I go back to Europe, I will inquire about the part and let you know how much it costs. In the meantime, you might want to check at your local VW dealer to see if the TV tuner controller can be ordered locally (stranger things have happened...) The part number is 3D0-919-146. This information comes from a controller scan I made of a European Phaeton that has a TV tuner in it - that scan can be reviewed here.
Michael
 
Re: Television Tuner - original Dresden installation in Phaeton (PanEuropean)

Find the wire leading to the brake, and ground it and I bet the picture will stay on constant. Thats how a lot of the in dash monitors work. Used to sell car audio.

Can you confirm it goes on speed, and not when the car is in park?



Modified by Scirocco at 9:04 AM 6-7-2005
 
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Re: Television Tuner - original Dresden installation in Phaeton (Scirocco)

Quote, originally posted by Scirocco »
Can you confirm it goes on speed, and not when the car is in park?

I think it is pretty sophisticated, in the sense that it picks up vehicle speed signals that are sent across the comfort CAN data bus, rather than relying on an analog input such as a brake pedal or transmission selector setting. It's less expensive, and more reliable, for VW to send that kind of information across the databus than to run an extra wire.
Respecting John's comment about the Dietz unit that is sold by Techmark - Techmark is Jim's (Spockcat's) company, and he is a very regular contributor on the Touareg forum, and a frequent contributor of useful information here on the Phaeton forum. He would be the person to ask about using that adapter. My guess, though, is that the Phaeton infotainment unit has to be set up to display video in the first place, before such an adapter can be used to offer the option of additional video inputs.
Michael
 
Re: Television Tuner - original Dresden installation in Phaeton (Scirocco)

Quote, originally posted by Scirocco »
Find the wire leading to the brake, and ground it and I bet the picture will stay on constant. Thats how a lot of the in dash monitors work. Used to sell car audio.

Can you confirm it goes on speed, and not when the car is in park?
Modified by Scirocco at 9:04 AM 6-7-2005

This is the way manufacturers USED to do it.
Now with the advent of CANBUS, the speed signal is encoded over the CANBUS. You can't just cut the CANBUS wire because it stops the data flow and other things on the car stop functioning (ie. the speed sensitive wipers). So aftermarket companies come out with products that filter the speed signals out but allow the data to pass on to other things on the car.
 
There is a system that "sets free" the tv function - It have at least several European cars inside the system - but I'm not sure if they have the function for VW/Audi ready yet though. The system is called OptiCan TV Free - call Neuspeed
 
Re: Television Tuner - original Dresden installation in Phaeton (PanEuropean)

You guys amaze me. Why in the world would anyone want to go to the trouble of having a TV in their car? Maybe in an RV, when parked.
Except for sports and one or two channels, Fox News comes to mind, TV is mostly crap anyhow..
Reminds me of the guy I saw once, on an interstate, smoking a cig, talking on his phone, and steering with his knee. Really!
In a car the emphasis should be on safe driving. And these days, safe driving many times is avoiding some idiot who is about to kill everyone. To avoid this idiot, one must have all there senses readily available.
Sorry to preach like this, but...................]
 
Re: Television Tuner - original Dresden installation in Phaeton (Jack Orr)

Here, here Jack! Yes, it's nice for the kids, but gee, what if we actually COMMUNICATED with our friends and family while they were in the car...and focused our attention on the ROAD.
Ranting...
~PC
 
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