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Dashivan

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When I picked up my friend's 16v that was in storage for the past 3 years (Romanova's for anyone who knows) the oil was just gushing from the oilpan. When I took it off, I cleaned/degreased everything very well, and replaced it with a cork gasket + an ultra thin bit of gasket goop to help.
A week later I noticed it was leakin a bit, and I checked.. most of the oilpan bolts have worked out a bit.. from 3 to 5 turns.
Is there some secret to get these to stay in or somthing? Originally I torqued them down as hard as I could basically.
I don't really want to throw some loctite on them, cause I might never get them out again.
 
shouldn't have torqued them down that hard. you probably squeezed the gasket out. IIRC, the blue loctite isn't as strong. you could try that. and even the regular red is not that bad. try one of those windage trays that have the double layered rubber gasket on them. seal it up and get a tray for like 45 bucks!
 
Re: Secret to a 'no leak' oil pan? (Dashivan)

The secret is, DON'T use a gasket, cork or otherwise...The dealer techs don't use gaskets, they use a special VW sealant..Pick up a couple tubes of this stuff and put it on for leak-free motoring..I will look tomorrow at one of my tubes for the part#...
 
Re: Secret to a 'no leak' oil pan? (nuugen)

Also, instead of Loctite, try using a lockwasher on the bolts--does the trick for me http://****************.com/smile/emthup.gif
 
Re: Secret to a 'no leak' oil pan? (Dashivan)

use a fiber gasket instead of a cork one and use "indian head" or similar tacky gasket adhesive...
or use the one thats made out of metal w/ rubber bonded to it.
 
Re: Secret to a 'no leak' oil pan? (vw_nick)

Quote, originally posted by vw_nick »
use a fiber gasket instead of a cork one and use "indian head" or similar tacky gasket adhesive...
or use the one thats made out of metal w/ rubber bonded to it.

is this the one that came stock on the corrados?
 
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Re: Secret to a 'no leak' oil pan? (MK1Scirocco1980)

Cool.. i'll throw some blue loc tite, or a lockwasher on there till I can get some of the VW gasket maker.
I mentioned this to a guy I know... he said, "Don't sweat it. It's a VW, it's supossed to leak".
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Modified by Dashivan at 3:08 AM 6-6-2005
 
Re: Secret to a 'no leak' oil pan? (vw_nick)

Quote, originally posted by vw_nick »
use a fiber gasket instead of a cork one and use "indian head" or similar tacky gasket adhesive...
or use the one thats made out of metal w/ rubber bonded to it.

NO.
Seriously people, I have tried every gasket out there, including the 53.00 neoprene one that is supposed to be the best, they all leak...Do a search on here, the best results are using the oil pan gasket sealant from vw...
 
Re: Secret to a 'no leak' oil pan? (nuugen)

mine don't leak... I used a cork one on my '84 rabbit, a fiber one on my '89 jetta, and a rubber impregnated/cork one on my '87 scirocco and none of them leak... proper installation is key.
 
Re: Secret to a 'no leak' oil pan? (vw_nick)

The dealer part number on the sealant is:
D 176 404 A2
The dealer techs in this area use this exclusively now, they don't even stock the gaskets anymore..
 
Re: Secret to a 'no leak' oil pan? (vw_nick)

Quote, originally posted by vw_nick »
mine don't leak... I used a cork one on my '84 rabbit, a fiber one on my '89 jetta, and a rubber impregnated/cork one on my '87 scirocco and none of them leak... proper installation is key.

I second this. I can't speak to the 16v. But every other car I have had, I had them just replace the original gasket and had no problems (assuming the pan is ok). I took my wife's Jetta in one time and told them not to use anything on the gasket. Another tech than the one I normally use did the work, and put a bunch of sealant on the gasket. It leaked. Had it replaced by the tech I normally use and even he said that he wouldn't have put that stuff all over it. He said the key is torqueing the screws to spec and using the correct pattern.
 
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Re: Secret to a 'no leak' oil pan? (Schnell wie der Blitz)

Digging this up a bit..
I just replaced pans/gaskets on my summer roc, and my winter roc.
The summer one I tried just using somthing like RTV, and on the winter one I just used a gasket.
Neither of them leak a drop now. I think the secret with the RTV is that you absolutely must
1. Have the surface clean/oil free
2. Let the RTV cure for the full 24 hours... as per the instructions!
3. Torque them to spec... with no torque wrench, just make it as tight as you can without squeezing RTV all over. When it cures, I think it expands, securing the seal.
Anyway, that was a month ago, and like I said... not a drop in the garage since!
 
Re: Secret to a 'no leak' oil pan? (nuugen)

Quote, originally posted by nuugen »
Seriously people, I have tried every gasket out there, including the 53.00 neoprene one that is supposed to be the best, they all leak...Do a search on here, the best results are using the oil pan gasket sealant from vw...

hmm...
i use an OEM rubber gasket from the A3 cars, p/n 044.103.609d. i use the factory bolts which have a no-slip, built in washer flange to them and i torque those bolts to 15ftlbs. nothing special, right?
i use a sealant: it's made by permatex. it's called aviationform-a-gasketsealant liquid p/n 8001. comes in a 4oz bottlebrush capped white plastic bottle. i've had this can for at least 5 yrs. what i mean is it's a lifetime supply.
see, the stuff doesn't fully harden...and that's the key. applied sparingly w/ the brush that's built into the cap is easy....even laying on your back under the car. the stuff is the color of very dark molasses, and flows even slower than that
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but a light film of that on both sides of the gasket will do. i prefer to "paint" it onto the parts to be assembled first, then place my gasket. benefit is twofold...1 it allows the stuff to tack up while you're "painting"....part's'll be ready to go by the time you finish. and 2....b/c it's tacky you can stick the gasket up on the block while you fumble for that o/pan bolt that just fell under your left shoulder
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....it'll stay up there.
i've used this stuff for years. it works on transmission cases, oil pans, v/cvr gaskets. it's most called-for use is to seal the case halves on the volkswagen air-cooled engine. i have no leaks from my car whatsoever...and i like it that way http://****************.com/smile/emthup.gif .
one more thing i should mention....b/c the stuff stays tacky it is safe for use on all the A3 style rubber gaskets as they can be removed and reused. provided the rubber is still pliable, it removes very easily. i've used it w/ new rubber gaskets for years. when using cork or paper gaskets the procedeure is the same. the only negative here is that any paper or cork gaskets will most likely be damaged on removal. you shouldn't be reusing them anyways.
if you get any gasket material left on the sealing surface after removal (i.e. gask breaks) it comes off easily w/ a razor blade.
you might start your search for the product at a hardware or auto parts store. it's good isht.
that is all.
 
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