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#21 ·
Re: Is there a passenger car that comes with a rollcage from factory? (rx7racr)

Quote, originally posted by rx7racr »

+1 http://****************.com/smile/emthup.gif
without a helmet on, or REAL seat belts (5+ point harnesses), having a cage could be MORE dangerous than not having one...

Then there are the idiots that run around on the street with 5-point harnesses and NO cage. That's just as dangerous, if not more so.
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#22 ·
Re: Is there a passenger car that comes with a rollcage from factory? (Zwoobah)

Quote, originally posted by Zwoobah »

Was it a silver 996 with black GT3 seats and the GT3 bodykit being followed by a silver 996 C4 with red MOMO seats, on June 13? I was running at a track event with those guys at mosport on the 14th and 15th. good drivers, they said they took the rapid transit approach after they crossed the canadian border
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No this was a yellow 993 with a quebec licence plate. I was just returning from Quebec from buying the my used Mazda 3 when he blew past me. I later caught up at a gas stop and stared at the car while filling up.
Chris
 
#23 ·
Re: Is there a passenger car that comes with a rollcage from factory? (High dB)

Quote, originally posted by High dB »

Then there are the idiots that run around on the street with 5-point harnesses and NO cage. That's just as dangerous, if not more so.
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as long as the harnesses are mounted properly, and routed through the seat properly, it's ok.
 
#24 ·
Re: Is there a passenger car that comes with a rollcage from factory? (rx7racr)

Quote, originally posted by rx7racr »

as long as the harnesses are mounted properly, and routed through the seat properly, it's ok.

unless your roof collapses and your head and neck try to support the weight of the car.
 
#25 ·
Re: Is there a passenger car that comes with a rollcage from factory? (Obin Robinson)

Quote, originally posted by Obin Robinson »

this guy did... and his helmet hit the metal! here's his crew chief and the chief tech inspector going over the safety requirements for the car after the accident:
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only use approved stuff for padding roll bars!
obin

all that money on the dash and he skimps on roll bar padding. dumbass.
 
#26 ·
Re: Is there a passenger car that comes with a rollcage from factory? (rockit)

Quote, originally posted by rockit »

unless your roof collapses and your head and neck try to support the weight of the car.

hmmmm... never thought of that...
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I'm guessing you're in some big trouble by the time that becomes an issue, but, nonetheless, you're right...
 
#27 ·
Re: Is there a passenger car that comes with a rollcage from factory? (TRiAD)

Quote, originally posted by TRiAD »
Get this, a rollcage in the US is NOT LEGAL on public roads.

Here in Utah they are; our Wranglers have no trouble being inspected. Don't get me wrong--I'm not talking about the factory cage. I refer to our Jeeps where we have augmented the factory work with a full front hoop and so on to ensure the passenger compartment maintains its integrity during a serious rockcrawling roll. Here's a pic of one of the Jeeps:
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#28 ·
Re: Is there a passenger car that comes with a rollcage from factory? (rx7racr)

Quote, originally posted by rx7racr »

hmmmm... never thought of that...
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I'm guessing you're in some big trouble by the time that becomes an issue, but, nonetheless, you're right...

Yeah, 5-point harnesses were designed to be used in conjunction with roll bars/cages. Unless of course you're in a totally controlled situation where it is impossible for your vehicle to roll. (We all know there is no such thing). That's why I laugh at all these toadstools I see cruising on the street in their "racecar" Civics while strapped in with their 5-point harness and no cage. Idiots.
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#29 ·
Re: Is there a passenger car that comes with a rollcage from factory? (TRiAD)

Quote, originally posted by TRiAD »
Get this, a rollcage in the US is NOT LEGAL on public roads.


Explain to me how all of the cars that compete in the "real street" drag-racing classes are legal then? These cars have full cages and to compete in the class they must be 100% STREET LEGAL. This is seriously the first I have EVER heard of cages/bars being illegal on the street. I have never heard of anyone being cited for having a cage. (I'm not trying to be a PITA, I'm just curious.)
 
#30 ·
Re: Is there a passenger car that comes with a rollcage from factory? (High dB)

Quote, originally posted by High dB »

These cars have full cages and to compete in the class they must be 100% STREET LEGAL.

dont make the mistake of believing "street legal" and "registered" are the same thing.
 
#31 ·
Re: Is there a passenger car that comes with a rollcage from factory? (rx7racr)

Quote, originally posted by rx7racr »
hmmmm... never thought of that...
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I'm guessing you're in some big trouble by the time that becomes an issue, but, nonetheless, you're right...

Sorta. If you retain the reclining seats, the seat back will probably break in that situation anyway. Most rollovers at highway speeds don't result in pancaked roofs, either, in modern cars.
Still, the most I'd want to run without a roll bar are some of those Schroth 4-point harnesses. They're pretty trick in the way they're engineered. A combination of the retractor mechanism and stretchier webbing on one side makes them very streetable. I believe the Ferrari 430 uses them from the factory.
 
#32 ·
Re: Is there a passenger car that comes with a rollcage from factory? (High dB)

this has actually turned out to be an excellent thread http://****************.com/smile/emthup.gif
for anyone looking to compete in DE days/auto-x events, and desiring better belts without a cage, a competition lap belt is a decent compromise. Basically it's a fixed lap belt to be worn UNDER the stock 3-pts. Holds your hips in the seat better, but still allows your head to move out of the way if the roof gets smashed in.
And if you do cage your car, wear your harnesses at ALL times, and wear them tightly. No, you won't be able to reach the glovebox, but harnesses don't use an inertia reel. So, if you wear them loosely, in a collision your body will travel forward and "take up the slack" by smashing into the fixed-length belt at 80mph (or however fast you're going).
 
#33 ·
Re: Is there a passenger car that comes with a rollcage from factory? (rx7racr)

Quote, originally posted by rx7racr »

I'm not doubting you, but I'm wondering if you can find the documentation on that?
Is this just one of those "rarely enforced" rules? ...


I replied earlier, but it doesn't look like it took...
I can't find the statute right now, but if I recall correctly, it states that new vehicles cannot be offered for sale for road use with an exposed safety structure, including all man ner of roll-bar/roll-cage.
This is why "pro-street" and other classes can be registered for the street, but why Porsche, RUF, Ferrari, etc cannot offer vehicles with cages in them for sale...And why cars like the GT3 RS were never available here for road use.
 
#34 ·
Re: Is there a passenger car that comes with a rollcage from factory? (rockit)

Quote, originally posted by rockit »

dont make the mistake of believing "street legal" and "registered" are the same thing.

I know the difference between "street legal" and "registered".
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At most of these events they have representatives from law enforcement agencies present to ensure legality.
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#35 ·
Re: Is there a passenger car that comes with a rollcage from factory? (Obin Robinson)

Quote, originally posted by Obin Robinson »
Porsche has been equipping certain performance/racing models with roll cages for many years now. i've seen various 924, 944, 968, and 911 variants that were equipped with cages right from the factory floor. the cages are actually made by Matter, and to tell you the truth they're really not worth it. a custom fab shop can make a safer cage than Matter can and for less money.
obin
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porsche will sell you a car witha roll cage in it if you want. Hell they'll pretty much do whatever you want to a 911 if you pay for it.
 
#36 ·
Re: Is there a passenger car that comes with a rollcage from factory? (StupidGTI)

Quote, originally posted by StupidGTI »

porsche will sell you a car witha roll cage in it if you want. Hell they'll pretty much do whatever you want to a 911 if you pay for it.


BS. Unlike you, I've been a salesperson in a new Porsche dealership.
Statements like yours are what makes the internet such an astounding source of bad information.
 
#37 ·
Re: Is there a passenger car that comes with a rollcage from factory? (Zwoobah)

Quote, originally posted by Zwoobah »

And if you do cage your car, wear your harnesses at ALL times, and wear them tightly.

and, to diverge from the safety topic for a sec: tightly worn harnesses, in the proper seat, at the proper angle/distance from the wheel/pedals can be one of the best handling enhancements you can make to your car!! You'd be surprised how much more control you have when you don't have to worry about supporting yourself under 1+g lateral!!
When you wear a harness, your car becomes motorized clothing!
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#38 ·
Re: Is there a passenger car that comes with a rollcage from factory? (TRiAD)

Quote, originally posted by TRiAD »
BS. Unlike you, I've been a salesperson in a new Porsche dealership.
Statements like yours are what makes the internet such an astounding source of bad information.

sorry let me re-phrase my statement...in the 80's...porsche will put a roll cage into any 911 you want..you want it a special colour.they'll do it..want different wheels..done.
 
#39 ·
Re: Is there a passenger car that comes with a rollcage from factory? (StupidGTI)

Quote, originally posted by StupidGTI »

sorry let me re-phrase my statement...in the 80's...porsche will put a roll cage into any 911 you want..you want it a special colour.they'll do it..want different wheels..done.


That could be, I dunno.
Sorry for the drama, I'll go pull the stick out of my ass now.
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#40 ·
Michael Blue said:
Re: Is there a passenger car that comes with a rollcage from factory? (rx7racr)

Get this, a rollcage in the US is NOT LEGAL on public roads.
Quote, originally posted by rx7racr »

without a helmet on, or REAL seat belts (5+ point harnesses), having a cage could be MORE dangerous than not having one...


...And that's why.
Click to expand...
Is that just for cars because all jeep wranglers have a roll cage.
 
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