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anyone have pics of A2s rolling on 195/45/15s?
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Re: anyone have pics of A2s rolling on 195/45/15s? (idt512)
I have Kumho 712's with 50 series tires right now. IMO they look a little too "fat" for my liking.
I didn't know that they made a 45 series. If I bought the 45's next time around, would they handle much better than the 50's? Or just make me waste more gas because of the higher Rev's needed to go the same speed as the 50's?
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I have Kumho 712's with 50 series tires right now. IMO they look a little too "fat" for my liking.
I didn't know that they made a 45 series. If I bought the 45's next time around, would they handle much better than the 50's? Or just make me waste more gas because of the higher Rev's needed to go the same speed as the 50's?
Re: anyone have pics of A2s rolling on 195/45/15s? (VWsuperhero)
how much higher would you rev? would this make fast runs unhealthy for your motor (100 mph+)? if you have a high lift cam say like a piper 285 (276*/276*) or a crane 272 (272*/272*) i'm looking at both for my 8v than the smaller diameter would maybe put you in your powerband constantly? correct me please if i'm wrong. i love learning about dubs. sorry so long
how much higher would you rev? would this make fast runs unhealthy for your motor (100 mph+)? if you have a high lift cam say like a piper 285 (276*/276*) or a crane 272 (272*/272*) i'm looking at both for my 8v than the smaller diameter would maybe put you in your powerband constantly? correct me please if i'm wrong. i love learning about dubs. sorry so long
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Re: anyone have pics of A2s rolling on 195/45/15s? (lashboy)
oh and the way i try to explain why smaller wheels are better for acceleration is this, its not so much the overall diameter compared to stock, but lets say you have a 15" wheel and a 17" wheel, i dont know what tire sizes would get them to be approx. the same overall diamater but they are the same diameter with tires on...the 15" wheels will accelerate you quicker still because the weight is closer tot he inside, even if the 15" were heavier then the 17" it would probably be faster still....why? because the weight is closer to the center. this is how i explain it: hold a 5 lb weight and a 2 foot long bar in your hand...its not that heavy, but put the wight on the end of the bar, and try to hold the bar at the end, all of a sudden 5 pounds seems much heavier. thats why smaller wheels let you accelerate better, the weight is closer to the center.
quote:[HR][/HR]how much higher would you rev? would this make fast runs unhealthy for your motor (100 mph+)? if you have a high lift cam say like a piper 285 (276*/276*) or a crane 272 (272*/272*) i'm looking at both for my 8v than the smaller diameter would maybe put you in your powerband constantly? correct me please if i'm wrong. i love learning about dubs. sorry so long[HR][/HR]
i wouldent worry about revving higher, the diffrence in minimal, i checked a speed calculator somewhere ont he web before i got the tires, and it said that now at 60 mph my speedo will only be 2 mph off. so to go 60, i have to register 62 on my speedo. i was running a schrick 272 cam as well and it was quite a bit quicker with the 15" and 195/45 then it was with 14" and 195/60 so i would say it keeps you in the poweband a bit...sure why not...oh and the way i try to explain why smaller wheels are better for acceleration is this, its not so much the overall diameter compared to stock, but lets say you have a 15" wheel and a 17" wheel, i dont know what tire sizes would get them to be approx. the same overall diamater but they are the same diameter with tires on...the 15" wheels will accelerate you quicker still because the weight is closer tot he inside, even if the 15" were heavier then the 17" it would probably be faster still....why? because the weight is closer to the center. this is how i explain it: hold a 5 lb weight and a 2 foot long bar in your hand...its not that heavy, but put the wight on the end of the bar, and try to hold the bar at the end, all of a sudden 5 pounds seems much heavier. thats why smaller wheels let you accelerate better, the weight is closer to the center.
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Re: anyone have pics of A2s rolling on 195/45/15s? (Andrew Foss)
Hmmmm, I see.
I looked on the TireRack website and it seemed to show a significant increase in Rev's for the 45's over the 50's.......
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Hmmmm, I see.
I looked on the TireRack website and it seemed to show a significant increase in Rev's for the 45's over the 50's.......
Re: anyone have pics of A2s rolling on 195/45/15s? (VWsuperhero)
Lets just say for sake of conversation that were dealing with a 16V tranny car (2Y or AGB) and we'll compare and contrast the tire sizes.
At 70 mph in 5th gear:
195/50-15 - 3462prm
195/45-15 - 3583rpm
205/40-17 - 3347rpm
215/40-17 - 3302rpm
205/40-16 - 3496rpm
205/45-16 - 3375rpm
215/40-16 - 3448rpm
Those are the cruising speeds. Top speed is always based on RPM limit, HP, final drive (tranny and final tire diameter) and most of all aerodynamics. You aint doing 200 in a Mk2
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[Modified by RichPugh, 5:43 PM 3-3-2002]
Lets just say for sake of conversation that were dealing with a 16V tranny car (2Y or AGB) and we'll compare and contrast the tire sizes.
At 70 mph in 5th gear:
195/50-15 - 3462prm
195/45-15 - 3583rpm
205/40-17 - 3347rpm
215/40-17 - 3302rpm
205/40-16 - 3496rpm
205/45-16 - 3375rpm
215/40-16 - 3448rpm
Those are the cruising speeds. Top speed is always based on RPM limit, HP, final drive (tranny and final tire diameter) and most of all aerodynamics. You aint doing 200 in a Mk2
[Modified by RichPugh, 5:43 PM 3-3-2002]
Re: anyone have pics of A2s rolling on 195/45/15s? (RichPugh)
This is all pretty much a moot point now that you can get any QUALITY 195/45/15 or 195/50/15 here in North America. I calling Demon Tweeks this week to order a set of Yokohama A520 195/50/15. I still can't figure out why they won't sell any Z-Rated tires smaller than 16 inch here....
Total with shipping for 5 tires from the UK is just under $400 US
This is all pretty much a moot point now that you can get any QUALITY 195/45/15 or 195/50/15 here in North America. I calling Demon Tweeks this week to order a set of Yokohama A520 195/50/15. I still can't figure out why they won't sell any Z-Rated tires smaller than 16 inch here....
Total with shipping for 5 tires from the UK is just under $400 US
Re: anyone have pics of A2s rolling on 195/45/15s? (JettaTournament)
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quote:[HR][/HR]I don't get it. How do 14" wheels improve performance?[HR][/HR]
I'm going to make this esy for you: Go outside and pick up a cinder block. Hold it against your chest with both hands, and spin yourself around in a circle as fast as you can a few times(try not to get too dizzy). Now, still holding the cinder block with both hands, extend your arms out as far as they will go, and try it again. It was much easier to start spinning around when the cinder block was against your chest, wasn't it? Now apply your new knowledge about rotational mass to wheel sizes. Given 2 of the exact same style of wheel, and of the exact same weight, but different sizes(as unlikely as it is to find that combination), and the wheel with the smaller diameter is much easier to get moving from a dead stop. So when you go and take the 14" wheels off of your car, and put a set of 17" wheels on, don't wonder why it feels slower off of the line...because it is.
Re: anyone have pics of A2s rolling on 195/45/15s? (RichPugh)
Sorry, I have the same exact tires but I'm looking for replacements now. They don't make the AVS Intermediates anymore and you can't get the A520 or A539 in anything smaller than 16" sizes here in the US.
Of course, the rest of the world can get them all the way down to 13" sizes....
Sorry, I have the same exact tires but I'm looking for replacements now. They don't make the AVS Intermediates anymore and you can't get the A520 or A539 in anything smaller than 16" sizes here in the US.
Of course, the rest of the world can get them all the way down to 13" sizes....
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Re: anyone have pics of A2s rolling on 195/45/15s? (Phobia16V)
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But you know, everybody has their own way of speaking.
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) If you consider a move to the 15's to be a downgrade then why do it? Some people do it. To increase performance as they say....so as not to fall out or stray from the black steelies culture associated with the VW scene. Gosh I hardly ever noticed the fact that honda RaCe enthusiasts do the same things too.
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But he says his 205/40/16's compensate for what he loses in terms of roll and yaw.
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I hate to be the one to tell him but cutting springs is just bad man. It's just baaaad. Baaaad path man. Bad path.
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There's no need for me to get into this with you guys as you guys already know what the deal is with cut springs.
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I'm getting a set of dunlops. 195/55/14's. Yes I'm still rolling 14's because I'm too poor to get myself a nice set of 16's
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Money takes time and rims?....rims are something I'd rather have than what I've got right now. Bottlecaps. They're great as far as ride comfort/handling goes (in fact, they handle superbly
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)but I'd like to walk up to my car each morning and not say to myself "damn I gotta get a set of rims"
[Modified by JettaTournament, 10:53 PM 3-3-2002]
quote:[HR][/HR]I'm going to make this esy for you: Go outside and pick up a cinder block. Hold it against your chest with both hands, and spin yourself around in a circle as fast as you can a few times(try not to get too dizzy). Now, still holding the cinder block with both hands, extend your arms out as far as they will go, and try it again. It was much easier to start spinning around when the cinder block was against your chest, wasn't it? Now apply your new knowledge about rotational mass to wheel sizes. Given 2 of the exact same style of wheel, and of the exact same weight, but different sizes(as unlikely as it is to find that combination), and the wheel with the smaller diameter is much easier to get moving from a dead stop. So when you go and take the 14" wheels off of your car, and put a set of 17" wheels on, don't wonder why it feels slower off of the line...because it is[HR][/HR]
Yeah...ummm I already established that 2 days ago. I don't see why you had to say the same thing by citing a long winded example, just to get a dramatic effect.
quote:[HR][/HR]otherwise i'm just gonna stick with them.. but if they're hindering my performance in such a way that i'll notice a difference if i downgrade (lack of a better word.. i'm not knockin' ur 15's..) then why wouldn't i b4 i buy new tires?[HR][/HR]
Well that depends. Do you want to keep your 16's or would you ever consider having the option of having 15's alongside your 16's (just incase you find yourself in need of snow tires
quote:[HR][/HR]especially in MA but i love how stiff they are in corners[HR][/HR]
Well a buddy of mine cut the springs in his 89 CRX.
I'm getting a set of dunlops. 195/55/14's. Yes I'm still rolling 14's because I'm too poor to get myself a nice set of 16's
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Re: anyone have pics of A2s rolling on 195/45/15s? (Shawn O)
Rich
[Modified by RichPugh, 2:03 AM 3-4-2002]
quote:[HR][/HR]Sorry, I have the same exact tires but I'm looking for replacements now. They don't make the AVS Intermediates anymore and you can't get the A520 or A539 in anything smaller than 16" sizes here in the US.
Of course, the rest of the world can get them all the way down to 13" sizes....[HR][/HR]
Hmm...I just did a search on Tire Rack's website and they still have plenty in stock 195/45ZR15 yoko AVS Intermediates.Of course, the rest of the world can get them all the way down to 13" sizes....[HR][/HR]
Rich
[Modified by RichPugh, 2:03 AM 3-4-2002]
Re: anyone have pics of A2s rolling on 195/45/15s? (RichPugh)
Gentlemen,
I don't know if this was already explained; my attention span is too short to read all of the replies. If you're running the car on the track, go with the smallest diameter wheel that will clear your brake calipers. The idea is to reduce unsprung weight, and the easiest way to reduce unsprung weight is to utilize a smaller wheel.
Unsprung weight can make a huge difference in a car. I run 15s on my Golf to clear the Corrado front brakes. I had a set of AT Italia Spas on the car, and it accelerated okay, until I installed the factory Corrado steel wheels that I picked up from Tire Rack. With the lighter stamped steel wheels, there was a significant increase in performance. I didn't measure it, but I could definitely feel it in the seat of my pants.
The other nice side-effect of utilizing a smaller diameter wheel is that usually the tires will also be somewhat lighter.
Gentlemen,
I don't know if this was already explained; my attention span is too short to read all of the replies. If you're running the car on the track, go with the smallest diameter wheel that will clear your brake calipers. The idea is to reduce unsprung weight, and the easiest way to reduce unsprung weight is to utilize a smaller wheel.
Unsprung weight can make a huge difference in a car. I run 15s on my Golf to clear the Corrado front brakes. I had a set of AT Italia Spas on the car, and it accelerated okay, until I installed the factory Corrado steel wheels that I picked up from Tire Rack. With the lighter stamped steel wheels, there was a significant increase in performance. I didn't measure it, but I could definitely feel it in the seat of my pants.
The other nice side-effect of utilizing a smaller diameter wheel is that usually the tires will also be somewhat lighter.
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Re: anyone have pics of A2s rolling on 195/45/15s? (89GLI16V)
See, that's what I'm worried about if I go to 45's from 50's. I don't want the look to go from nice to 4x4!!!
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Does anyone have any idea how much the gap will be increased from the top of the tire to the wheel arch if I do go to these sized tires?
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See, that's what I'm worried about if I go to 45's from 50's. I don't want the look to go from nice to 4x4!!!
Does anyone have any idea how much the gap will be increased from the top of the tire to the wheel arch if I do go to these sized tires?
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Re: anyone have pics of A2s rolling on 195/45/15s? (VWsuperhero)
195-45-15
Well, here's the equation. tire width multiplied by one one hundredths of it's aspect ratio. You get 87.75.
Now if you had the 195-50-15s, you'd be reducing your overall diameter by 19.5 millimeters. Which is approximately the size of a dime If your worried about height compensation, I don't think it will make a lot of difference if your car's lowered to begin with.
[Modified by JettaTournament, 7:24 AM 3-4-2002]
195-45-15
Well, here's the equation. tire width multiplied by one one hundredths of it's aspect ratio. You get 87.75.
Now if you had the 195-50-15s, you'd be reducing your overall diameter by 19.5 millimeters. Which is approximately the size of a dime If your worried about height compensation, I don't think it will make a lot of difference if your car's lowered to begin with.
[Modified by JettaTournament, 7:24 AM 3-4-2002]
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Re: anyone have pics of A2s rolling on 195/45/15s? (JettaTournament)
that guys car is barely dropped....
I have Borbet Type B rims with 195/50/ Kumho Ecsta Supra 712 tires on it....
and those tires grip really good and still give you the stiff performance of a bigger wheel without sacrificing the unsprung weight and the ultra stiff ride that 17" rims can somtimes provide... and the tires are alot cheaper too
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58$ a tire and 95$ a rim I think I am going to have a spare rim in my car as soon as I can buy another one
that guys car is barely dropped....
I have Borbet Type B rims with 195/50/ Kumho Ecsta Supra 712 tires on it....
and those tires grip really good and still give you the stiff performance of a bigger wheel without sacrificing the unsprung weight and the ultra stiff ride that 17" rims can somtimes provide... and the tires are alot cheaper too
58$ a tire and 95$ a rim I think I am going to have a spare rim in my car as soon as I can buy another one
Re: anyone have pics of A2s rolling on 195/45/15s? (RichPugh)
Thanks for the heads up Rich. I called there last fall and they told me they were all out and weren't getting anymore. I called Yokohama NA and they confirmed it....They must have found some more laying around somewhere.
Thanks for the heads up Rich. I called there last fall and they told me they were all out and weren't getting anymore. I called Yokohama NA and they confirmed it....They must have found some more laying around somewhere.
Re: anyone have pics of A2s rolling on 195/45/15s? (VWsuperhero)
Does anyone have any idea how much the gap will be increased from the top of the tire to the wheel arch if I do go to these sized tires?
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The sidewall of 50's are 97.5mm, while it is 87.8mm for 45's, so the gap will increase by approx 1/3rd of an inch
Does anyone have any idea how much the gap will be increased from the top of the tire to the wheel arch if I do go to these sized tires?
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The sidewall of 50's are 97.5mm, while it is 87.8mm for 45's, so the gap will increase by approx 1/3rd of an inch
Re: anyone have pics of A2s rolling on 195/45/15s? (Espen W)
Let's start over. What you really want is to go to tirerack.com and buy:
195-50-15 Bridgestone Potenza S-03 Pole Position
To sum it all up, there isn't that much difference between 195-50 and 194-45. But, of course, the 50s give you a little more sidewall. However slight this might be, this does translate to slightly better rim protection.
If it were up to me, I would get 195-55 or 205-50.
Let's start over. What you really want is to go to tirerack.com and buy:
195-50-15 Bridgestone Potenza S-03 Pole Position
To sum it all up, there isn't that much difference between 195-50 and 194-45. But, of course, the 50s give you a little more sidewall. However slight this might be, this does translate to slightly better rim protection.
If it were up to me, I would get 195-55 or 205-50.
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