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I have an 04 treg with everything in it, but it has been plagued with the problems that have been listed here ad nauseam. It has 24,000 miles on it and they are offering me $5,000 over the appraised value of my car. My estimates, based on Kelly and NADA are that the car is worth $36 - $38,000. Is this a good deal considering I bought the car in December of 03?
Also, do the 05 cars still have problems?
 
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Re: Lemon T-Reg and the offer from VW (ni7irs)

did you discuss a replacement? would you consider one? there is no reason you shouldn't be able to get a 2006 at this point. it's my understanding that they have more leeway with replacements.
a fully loaded 2006 V8 has an MSRP of $55k. Not sure what street is. But your offer on the high end is worth $43k. So if they offer you a fully loaded 2006 with a $12k cash contribution from you, you're even. If the contribution is lower, you come out ahead.
I'm really liking my 2006... but it has less than 150mi on it
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Re: (d.a.)

I have a friend whose neighbor had their '04 Treg replaced with a new '06. Their Treg was in the shop (electrical not mechanical) more often than not and had 35K on it.
My understanding is that they received a replacement at no charge.
 
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Re: (herbertm)

Quote, originally posted by herbertm »
I have a friend whose neighbor had their '04 Treg replaced with a new '06. Their Treg was in the shop (electrical not mechanical) more often than not and had 35K on it.
My understanding is that they received a replacement at no charge.

your friend must have been driving constantly while the truck was out of the shop. 35K and lemon together just do not make sense.
 
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Re: (****us)

Quote, originally posted by ****us »
your friend must have been driving constantly while the truck was out of the shop. 35K and lemon together just do not make sense.

Maybe the shop was dyno testing it for 34,000 miles.
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or just road testing it. The shop obviously liked it.
 
Discussion starter · #8 ·
Re: Lemon T-Reg and the offer from VW (ni7irs)

They have not made any firm committment yet. They wanted to "appraise" the car first, but that is a crock because the trade value on the car is influenced by the fact that so many people are dumping the vehicle. Within 30 miles of my zip, there are over 139 for sale used.
 
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Re: Lemon T-Reg and the offer from VW (ni7irs)

Sorry to hear of your problems. If you have read here a few times, you know what a slop job many Touaregs are (despite some of the silly contrary propaganda you have, no doubt, read here.)
VW has had to lemon out so many Touaregs that it is probably getting low on lemon funds.
There have been loads of Touaregs that have been informally non-lemoned. This is done to prevent an overhang of formally lemoned Touaregs. If VW has to formally lemon a vehicle, it carries that stigma and is noted at CARFAX. If it is informally lemoned (like VW is attempting to do with you), it is not so stigmatized.
However, if you go to CARFAX, you can see loads of 2,3 and 4 owner Touaregs with 15-20,000 miles on them. Ask yourself, if an owner was insanely happy with his ride, why would he give it up so soon? Why would three of them do that?
Get an attorney, threaten VW with a suit and VW will likely collapse. VW has had to replace and/or buy so many of its poorly designed, manufactured and repaired vehicles that much of the time, its resistence is merely pro forma. (Again, CARFAX has loads of non-lemoned vehicles available for viewing at http://www.carfax.com)
In a great many cases, VW has to pay your attorney fees. If not, the $250-500 will be money well spent.
BTW: You asked about the 05 model (as a replacement?). Do zebras change their stripes? Do you want to risk more of a "plague with the problems?" Do you have the time?
Good luck battling the VW DEMONS!
 
Discussion starter · #12 ·
Illinois has a one year statute for lemon laws and I am an attorney. What remains is the Ford-Magnoson Act, but I do litigation all the time and so I know that it is a huge waste of resources even if you do prevail.
 
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Re: Lemon T-Reg and the offer from VW (trexer001)

Quote, originally posted by trexer001 »
Sorry to hear of your problems. If you have read here a few times, you know what a slop job many Touaregs are (despite some of the silly contrary propaganda you have, no doubt, read here.)
VW has had to lemon out so many Touaregs that it is probably getting low on lemon funds.
There have been loads of Touaregs that have been informally non-lemoned. This is done to prevent an overhang of formally lemoned Touaregs. If VW has to formally lemon a vehicle, it carries that stigma and is noted at CARFAX. If it is informally lemoned (like VW is attempting to do with you), it is not so stigmatized.
However, if you go to CARFAX, you can see loads of 2,3 and 4 owner Touaregs with 15-20,000 miles on them. Ask yourself, if an owner was insanely happy with his ride, why would he give it up so soon? Why would three of them do that?
Get an attorney, threaten VW with a suit and VW will likely collapse. VW has had to replace and/or buy so many of its poorly designed, manufactured and repaired vehicles that much of the time, its resistence is merely pro forma. (Again, CARFAX has loads of non-lemoned vehicles available for viewing at http://www.carfax.com)
In a great many cases, VW has to pay your attorney fees. If not, the $250-500 will be money well spent.
BTW: You asked about the 05 model (as a replacement?). Do zebras change their stripes? Do you want to risk more of a "plague with the problems?" Do you have the time?
Good luck battling the VW DEMONS!

This sounded really biased (um, VW DEMONS?) so I followed your advice and went to carfax looking for 2004 4.2 Touaregs within 200 miles of my house with 2-3 owners. I clicked on ever 4.2 on the first page and they all came up with 1 owner.
I'm not clear how much of this is speculation and how much of this is fact and I'm saying this in the most diplomatic way possible.
 
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Re: Lemon T-Reg and the offer from VW (d.a.)

Quote, originally posted by d.a. »
This sounded really biased (um, VW DEMONS?) so I followed your advice and went to carfax looking for 2004 4.2 Touaregs within 200 miles of my house with 2-3 owners. I clicked on ever 4.2 on the first page and they all came up with 1 owner.
I'm not clear how much of this is speculation and how much of this is fact and I'm saying this in the most diplomatic way possible.

As a newer member here, you probably don't realize that the Vortex member in question is well known here for his views and has never actually proven to be a Touareg owner. You can search his back posts and you will see there is nothing positive or factual about them.
He is entitled to his opinions but they are just that, opinions.
 
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Re: Lemon T-Reg and the offer from VW (trexer001)

trexer001 is back! the board will be entertaining again!
i've always enjoyed reading trexer's comments. they should be published in hard copy since each represent a piece of brilliant english composition.
 
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Re: Lemon T-Reg and the offer from VW (spockcat)

Quote, originally posted by spockcat »

As a newer member here, you probably don't realize that the Vortex member in question is well known here for his views and has never actually proven to be a Touareg owner. You can search his back posts and you will see there is nothing positive or factual about them.
He is entitled to his opinions but they are just that, opinions.

Let it be granted: that only manic obsessives who occupy the Olympus of VW and post dozens of times each day are allowed to claim that their posts are positive or factual.
We other mortals are then to be relegated to the nether world of mere opinion. I plead guilty to OPINION.
Question: if one warns other mortals to examine the dozens of posts describing in vivid detail their monumental frustration with their grandiously unreliable vehicles, is this to be dismissed as "not positive?" Pulling a child out of the way of a truck is apparently, in Mr. Spockcats lexicon, "nothing positive."
If only ten persons read these posts and decide that they will not buy the new or used Bratislavian/Wolfsburgian Yugo (at a price many times higher) and save themselves uncounted hours of time wasted with unuseable equipment, dealers who claim that stoplight stalls are a feature and obsolete features, is that not positive?
A cursory reading of this forum will turn up hundreds of frustrated postings on the Touareg. Whatever vehicle one owns, the facts (oops!) are out there.
No amount of relentless, (paid?), frenzied cheerleading will change that. No matter what Mr. Spockcat writes, one ought still to believe ones eyes. It should also be noted: He is entitled to his opinions but they are just that, opinions.
By the way, has anyone noticed the skyrocketing sales increases that VW has experienced in America over the last five years? No, I didn't think so.
Maybe, just maybe, that fact (I'm sorry, Mr. Spockcat; I apologize for using that word.) should give readers pause. VW has an almost tediously, unblemished record of lower sales over the last five years. If the VW vehicles are SOOOOOOOOOOO good, as Mr. Spockcat would have you believe, why has the public so resoundingly rejected them? Oh, you're right. That is only opinion.
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Re: Lemon T-Reg and the offer from VW (trexer001)

Quote, originally posted by trexer001 »

If only ten persons read these posts and decide that they will not buy the new or used Bratislavian/Wolfsburgian Yugo (at a price many times higher) and save themselves uncounted hours of time wasted with unuseable equipment, dealers who claim that stoplight stalls are a feature and obsolete features, is that not positive?
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I am one of those who wrote a few negative posts about my 2004 T-reg. I am also one of them whose T-reg was exchanged by VW to a 2005 model. Now I am a very happy T-reg owner, whose T-reg was just in for the 10,000 mile service. There is nothing wrong with my 2005 vehicle, and I am glad that I went the exchange route, and that I am now able to drive a vehicle that I enjoy!
By the way, I had a top of the line Chrysler Pacifica as a loaner for the down time of the service, and I am glad that I have my T-reg back so I need not to drive that dog anymore!
I would recommend to go with the exchange and you'll get a good vehicle that you enjoy driving!
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#18 ·
Well,
VW is offering a replacement 2006 and trying to dock me $7K for a mileage deduction when AZ's lemon law states there is only a mileage deduction on a buyback.
The local dealer Camelback is shocked they are trying to dock me on a replacement. Said they have never heard of that. Only on buybacks.
 
#19 ·
Re: Lemon T-Reg and the offer from VW (trexer001)

Mr. Trexor:
I have read your posts above, and reviewed your post history. Please try to be judicious in what you say - although it is fine for you to express your opinion, you do need to be aware that if you start posting very anti-VW opinions in a forum that is primarily populated by VW enthusiasts, you risk stirring up trouble.
I am not criticizing WHAT you are saying, I am suggesting you be more careful about HOW you say it. For example, "Good luck battling the VW DEMONS!" is gratuitous to the otherwise lucid comments you made, and will only stir up dissent. Same with your reference to "some of the silly contrary propaganda you have, no doubt, read here." That "silly propaganda" has been written by Touareg owners, and and referring to other forum members' contributions like that is over the line.
I thank you in advance for your comprehension of this.
Michael, Forum Moderator.
 
#20 ·
Re: Lemon T-Reg and the offer from VW (PanEuropean)

Not to mention that it appears that the rest of the post is speculation and the one fact that was easily checked (by me: the carfax reports) showed to be false in 100% of the 15 or so sample cases I checked.
I assume that Trexor wouldn't waste his time here, though, if he doesn't (didn't) own a Touareg at one point or another, so why doesn't he just lay to rest the rumor that he doesn't have one by simply posting a picture of him sitting in one? ;-)
 
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