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As I predicted, VW of America's long sales slump appears to be a thing of the past. With the exception of the Jetta & Passat Wagons, still of the old design, and the Phaeton, which will be discontinued anyway, all other models had a significant increase......and January is a slow month........
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Edited: I forgot about the Toureag....That dropped a little, too, but the Jetta, Passat, Golf, and to my delight, the New Beetle, are UP.
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Modified by fortysomething at 3:59 PM 2-1-2006
 
Re: Jan. 2006 VWoA Sales up 28% over Jan. 2005 (fortysomething)

This is good news http://****************.com/smile/emthup.gif I'll be contributing to February's sales (and to the financing company's business
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Re: Jan. 2006 VWoA Sales up 28% over Jan. 2005 (buddahvw)

Nice combo- the DSG is amazing! It was hard for me to decide between the gray and black colors
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Would've loved to have gotten both
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Hang in there, not much longer to wait! http://****************.com/smile/emthup.gif
 
Re: Jan. 2006 VWoA Sales up 28% over Jan. 2005 (wickedfast87gti)

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wow I'm surprised. Good to hear http://****************.com/smile/emthup.gif

VW offers a truly unique product. As far as price, features, and styling go, it's a great combo. 2006 will be a great year. I'm excited.
The only question is: why the HELL didn't this product overhaul happen 2 years ago?
Instead of a Jetta refresh in '04...they should have just introduced the MKV then and there.
 
Re: Jan. 2006 VWoA Sales up 28% over Jan. 2005 (NewsJunkie)

Quote, originally posted by NewsJunkie »

VW offers a truly unique product. As far as price, features, and styling go, it's a great combo. 2006 will be a great year. I'm excited.
The only question is: why the HELL didn't this product overhaul happen 2 years ago?
Instead of a Jetta refresh in '04...they should have just introduced the MKV then and there.

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Who would have geussed new products brought a slaes increase!
 
Re: (SteveMKIIDub)

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Who would have geussed new products brought a slaes increase!

Especially when compared to a VERY OLD product line sold last January.
Glad to see sales are finally headed in the right direction.
 
Re: Jan. 2006 VWoA Sales up 28% over Jan. 2005 (NewsJunkie)

Quote, originally posted by NewsJunkie »

....The only question is: why the HELL didn't this product overhaul happen 2 years ago?
Instead of a Jetta refresh in '04...they should have just introduced the MKV then and there.

Answer: IG Metall
We have a general tolerance of the UAW here, despite the ups and downs of the domestic US industry and the often arguable benefit of auto unions in general. Especially in light of many Asian brands building here without union representation. In all, though, the relative "power" of the UAW is nothing compared to that of the mighty IG Metall.
It was stated time and again that VWoA desperately polled VWAG for MKV business. In typical fashion, being slightly out of phase by 6 months or so (as they usually did) with the Euro intro. was okay. But...
Allegedly, when IG Metall found out that total US/CDN MKV build was being negotiated for Puebla and Curritiba (as with MKIV), they intervened and dragged down the discussions, finally getting their way to have US market Golf/GTI built in Wolfsburg by their brethren, and releasing VWdM to proceed with US and Euro market MKV Jetta development/production. A sad "Give and take" story.
The identical story emerged when IG Metall essentially forced VWAG to build their new small Sport Ute in Wolfsburg instead of Portugal, ...albeit with agreement on some wide-reaching personnel and cost cutting measures. Never underestimate the potential for a huge, ugly back story. Especially where VWAG and IG Metall are concerned.


Modified by TechEd at 2:17 PM 2-1-2006
 
Re: Jan. 2006 VWoA Sales up 28% over Jan. 2005 (TechEd)

It's a win-win situation. So the GTI took forever to get here, did you really think if they hurried people were going to be trading in their Honda's for VW's?
Owning German means exclusivity...everyone who comes for a ride with you will love it, but they would never go over to the "Dark Side" http://****************.com/smile/emthup.gif
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Modified by Spa_driver at 1:16 AM 2-2-2006
 
Re: Jan. 2006 VWoA Sales up 28% over Jan. 2005 (TechEd)

Quote, originally posted by TechEd »
Answer: IG Metall
We have a general tolerance of the UAW here, despite the ups and downs of the domestic US industry and the often arguable benefit of auto unions in general. Especially in light of many Asian brands building here without union representation. In all, though, the relative "power" of the UAW is nothing compared to that of the mighty IG Metall.
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Allegedly, when IG Metall found out that total US/CDN MKV build was being negotiated for Puebla and Curritiba (as with MKIV), they intervened and dragged down the discussions, finally getting their way to have US market Golf/GTI built in Wolfsburg by their brethren, and releasing VWdM to proceed with US and Euro market MKV Jetta development/production. A sad "Give and take" story.

In the meantime, VW sales tanked so much over the last two years that they are losing $1 billion a year (almost as much as Ford) in North America, and thus are needing to cut even more jobs worldwide even as sales in the rest of the world are rising. Sometimes union leaders don't appreciate the unintended consequences of their actions. It seems like German union leaders are even worse.
The MkV is almost 1.5 years old now, and we are just getting the GTI and soon the Golf. The Golf turned 30 last year. Wouldn't it have made sense to have the MkV "30th anniversary edition" rather than a 6 year-old design, particularly when the GTI had fallen so far behind just about every car in its class?
At least we got the Jetta first, but even that was needed over a year earlier.
 
Re: Jan. 2006 VWoA Sales up 28% over Jan. 2005 (akuska)

Quote, originally posted by akuska »
In the meantime, VW sales tanked so much over the last two years that they are losing $1 billion a year (almost as much as Ford) in North America, and thus are needing to cut even more jobs worldwide even as sales in the rest of the world are rising. Sometimes union leaders don't appreciate the unintended consequences of their actions. It seems like German union leaders are even worse.
The MkV is almost 1.5 years old now, and we are just getting the GTI and soon the Golf. The Golf turned 30 last year. Wouldn't it have made sense to have the MkV "30th anniversary edition" rather than a 6 year-old design, particularly when the GTI had fallen so far behind just about every car in its class?
At least we got the Jetta first, but even that was needed over a year earlier.

Was just waiting for the dark lining to appear.....and it did.
They made a record world profit last year. http://****************.com/smile/emthup.gif
They took the 1 Billion dollar loss in the US out of their small change pocket.
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Modified by 2003Sport at 5:49 PM 2-2-2006
 
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Re: (PDing)

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Sure the sales are up so far in 2006 compared to 2005. But what's the difference in sale between Jan 2006 and Jan of 2001 when sales didn't drop so much.

Don't have those numbers in front of me.......I'm sure the difference in Jan 2006 and Jan 2001 is a LOT.......I know VWoA dropped from 355, xxx sales in 2001 down to 224,xxx by 2005, a 37% total......but the important thing is that for the first time in 4 years, they're going back UP. It will probably take 2 or 3 years to get back to 2001 numbers, provided there isn't another coilpack/window regulator fiasco.........My fingers are crossed..... http://****************.com/smile/emthup.gif
 
Re: Jan. 2006 VWoA Sales up 28% over Jan. 2005 (2003Sport)

They did not make a record profit last year. They made a small profit last year, but not much. Toyota made around 12 billion dollars in profits last year. VW was around 1.5-2 depending upon whose accounting methods one uses. If anything, VW's profits have dropped by over 50% since its peak. This year will also be a bad year because of losses in China, S.America and the US. Europe is the only region where things have stabilized for now. Sales will definately increase in the US, but VW will continue to lose money due to its non competitive cost structure. The reason VW has such a rip off options menu on many of its cars is not because it wants to screw its customers, but because it cannot afford to sell its products for any less.
Quote, originally posted by 2003Sport »

Was just waiting for the dark lining to appear.....and it did.
They made a record world profit last year. http://****************.com/smile/emthup.gif
They took the 1 Billion dollar loss in the US out of their small change pocket.
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Modified by 2003Sport at 5:49 PM 2-2-2006
 
Re: Jan. 2006 VWoA Sales up 28% over Jan. 2005 (akuska)

Quote, originally posted by akuska »

...(VW)thus are needing to cut even more jobs worldwide even as sales in the rest of the world are rising. Sometimes union leaders don't appreciate the unintended consequences of their actions. It seems like German union leaders are even worse.

I guess you don't have one of those good union jobs and spare me with the "My jobs better than that!", it doesn't matter
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The reason those workers don't "deserve" a good wage from higher prices is because of Asia. Their currency exchange rates are a joke and their health care/retirement is usually paid for by the government, not the manufacturer. Germany(or America for that matter) is stupid to play their little pricing games since we can't win on their terms. Tarriff is the word for the 21st Century
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Re: Jan. 2006 VWoA Sales up 28% over Jan. 2005 (fortysomething)

This is a good example of something someone a lot smarter than me once said: there are lies, damn lies, and statistics.
I think it is funny that a year or so ago, vortex stopped posting monthly sales reports after doing it forever. My conspiracy theory says that someone at VW pushed to have less emphasis on the reports. For the longest time, vortex posted the sales #s faithfully, then, when there were consistent declines, they vanished. Now, miraculously, they are back.
Comparing to Jan 05 is a real misnomer to those who know and were selling VWs at that time like myself. Keep in mind that as the new Jetta release came closer, VW strategically started to thin down the availablity to dealers of old Jettas. For instance, one of the best selling models of the old Jetta was the GLS 1.8T. Well, VW phased that car out about 8-12 months before the new Jetta was to hit, and all dealers had on the lot were precious few TDIs, NO 1.8T GLS, and a bunch of 2.0 GLS automatics ( sticks were also curtailed ). I remember going to meetings where the VW rep outlined the ramp-down plan, and it was of big concern that many bread and butter cars were out of production. Things got real tight for months preceding the new Jetta launch on many popular configurations of old Jetta and we were left with the stuff that was hard to sell. So, of course sales in 06 month to month versus 05 are up significantly at this juncture. VW set it up this way to avoid over supply of the old car this time a year ago. A total case of statistics not really reflecting the whole story.
The Passat is in the same boat. About 18 months ago, VW produced a bunch of old Passats in a few configurations and banked them. The factory closed to retool. Whatever Passats were in the pipeline were it. Many colors were eliminated, TDIs dried up, et cetera. This was not to the extent of the Jetta, but similar idea. The pipeline feeding the dealers was severely restricted.
In other words, a lot of what you are seeing is by design and is due statistically to strategic decisions a year to 18 months ago as it is to some huge sales boost now. Of course, VW would like to spin it this way. The reality is not quite so simple. 15-18 months ago, dealers were starving for quality inventory, and the dregs were all there was access to. The good colors were gone, the good trim levels were gone, and dealers were doing dealer trades like crazy fighting over the scraps. We could have sold LOTS more old Jettas for a long time, for instance, if they would have sent 1.8Ts for longer. We were without them for the longest time, probably almost a year.
So yes, for that 6 month span right before the new Jetta launch, and for a few months after until trim levels, transmission options, etc were available, the sales figures will be artificially impacted.
For instance, this happened on Beetles too. Try finding a 1.8T anywhere a year ago. Dealers couldn't get Beetles easily at all with any engine for a while, as the factory seriously curtailed supply in the months prior to the new car.
Good to see VW selling some cars, but I think a more accurate comparison or measure of health would be comparing the new Jetta and Passat sales to an EQUIVALENT time in the past. Go to 2000, when the new Jetta and Passat were fresh and a year or so into their run in the new ( at the time ) body styles and widely available. Right now, the Jetta is new, the Passat is new, the trim levels are available, etc. Of course cars should be selling. Right after all new product comes out should be the best time you ever see with a product line. As the line ages, sales gradually slow down as the public tires of the car and competitors catch up. It is a series of feast and famine cycles. So, comparing the hottest time of new product with the weakest point of the old, especially with a lot of mitigating factors, is not a particularly valid comparison.
At any rate, I hope VW is successful, and continues to get stronger. Just wanted to point out that I had to laugh when I read the sales report.
Now, if we really want to have a valid discussion on this subject, someone with more time than myself needs to dig through the archives. Let's take month-to-month sales in 99, 00, 01, 02, 03, 04, 05, 06 and graph that out and look at the trend over time. For instance, 1 year into the MK4 Jetta run versus 1 year into the MK5 Jetta run. Compare the same points at time after release. This would be a lot more valid and telling statistic I believe. For all I know, the new Jetta is still out selling what the old one did at the same point in its lifespan, and if so, great, but until we have that data, not time to party yet.
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Re: Jan. 2006 VWoA Sales up 28% over Jan. 2005 (mgbrickell)

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So, comparing the hottest time of new product with the weakest point of the old, especially with a lot of mitigating factors, is not a particularly valid comparison.
At any rate, I hope VW is successful, and continues to get stronger. Just wanted to point out that I had to laugh when I read the sales report.

Amen. The previous designs of the Jetta and Passat have help carry Volkswagen since 1998/1999. Without any significant changes or redesigns, they last of those cars still did OK. I hope VW is doing some product development. I really can't see the current models carrying Volkswagen for the next 6-8 years. They'll need something totally new in 3. The new Jetta's been out for a year now and really hasn't had the impact here in the US that VW had hoped for.
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