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spoonie

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i was told recently that some mk4 1.8T cars actually use *no* gas when decellerating. some have used a vag-com to further show that fuel usage is at or very close to zero.
in essence, they're using less gas coasting down with it in gear vs putting it in neutral or depressing the clutch all the way.
would an obd1 VR be the same? i seem to get better L/100 #'s if i'm coasting along instead of leaving it in gear.
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Re: Fuel economy - coasting vs decel (jhayesvw)

Quote, originally posted by jhayesvw »
spoonie.
if youre so worried about gas comsumption, get a 2nd job.
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this is an interesting theory though. kinda like the a/c on+windows up vs. a/c off+windows down.

LOL! i'm not worried about being frugal - i never would have picked this car if that was the case. i'm just interested in the answer
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Re: Fuel economy - coasting vs decel (spoonie)

when you coast in gear (decel) the injectors shut off, and the wideband reads air. When you coast with the car idling it uses fuel and reads 14.5-15.0.
 
Re: Fuel economy - coasting vs decel (Ohio Brian)

Quote, originally posted by Ohio Brian »
when you coast in gear (decel) the injectors shut off, and the wideband reads air. When you coast with the car idling it uses fuel and reads 14.5-15.0.

wouldnt that cause a very lean situation though?? unless the plugs stop firing too??
im sooo confused now.
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Re: Fuel economy - coasting vs decel (spoonie)

this is a fact for most manual cars...
they use more gas in neutral as the engine has to be stablized... vs.... in gear it doesnt and used less gas...
but the difference is not traggic, but still leaving it in gear and decel is better than netural and decel...
 
Re: Fuel economy - coasting vs decel (djsheijkdfj)

As said, when you are deceling in gear the rotation of the wheels keeps the motor turning, but if you put it in neutral, the car would essentially just be idling.
You aren't using fuel while decelerating, and this isn't an issue as a lean condition http://****************.com/smile/emthup.gif Will you notice a difference in mileage? It would probably (unless you live in a hilly town and coast downhill for half your commute
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) be negligible and less than the normal 'error' in mpg calculations.
 
Re: Fuel economy - coasting vs decel (leebro61)

Also... the fact i hate heading to the lights with uber slow geared speeds... then i also hate heading in neutral and hit my brakes... so i do a combo for a both...
bottom line like someones said the mpg diff is negligible and you can do whatever floats your boat...
 
Re: Fuel economy - coasting vs decel (porksoda)

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Also... the fact i hate heading to the lights with uber slow geared speeds... then i also hate heading in neutral and hit my brakes... so i do a combo for a both...
bottom line like someones said the mpg diff is negligible and you can do whatever floats your boat...

A combination is the key for saving gas. If your on a steep incline just keep in gear (like steep hill, mountainous terrain). Around town though, when approaching stop signs/stop lights, I usually keep in fifth gear while decelerating until it's just about to lug, then pop it in neutral and coast. You can coast a lot further than just keeping in gear. Sometimes though I'll pop into neutral a little sooner when conditions permit just to coast the extra distance, when leaving in fifth gear isn't going to make it.
 
Re: Fuel economy - coasting vs decel (spoonie)

I read this earlier and had to do a test. I am the kind of person that will occasionally put the car in neutral going downhill (with the clutch disengaged of course). Been doing it with bugs since I was 17 (I would actually turn the engine off then... ahhh the old days). There is a huge hill on the 805 on my way to school (as it crosses the 8 if you are curious) that I "neutral".
Normally, I know where the "crest" of the hill is, where I can take the clutch out at 75 and not loose any speed. After about 100 meters, I start to gain speed, and if I am drafting other vehicles, I can hit 85 at the bottom. The entire section that I am able to coast is about 1km (0.6 mile). At the end of the coast, I am back at 75.
I decided to run a test today on my way to class. Instead, this time I let her coast in gear. The net effect is I was able to coast for only 100 meters. My speed never exceeded 75. So for the other 900 meters I would normally coast, I was applying some level of throttle. Not full throttle of course.
Simple back of the napkin calculation on that scenario works like this: is it better to use no fuel for 100 meters, or use idle mixture for 1000? Sounds like a simple win for the "neutral". But it is not so simple. What about the fuel expended getting the motor spun back up? That is not negligible, as anyone who has worked on a carbureted vehicle is familiar with (comparing volume of fuel delivered by the accelerator pump versus normal jets).
So, I am not sure anymore. I will try to run a test using VAG-COM on the same hill soon.
After finals.
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Re: Fuel economy - coasting vs decel (darisd)

Different car..My Dads' 02 Passat with the MFA shows 0 consumtion at coast down even with auto. Read your MFA next time you go down the DVP from York Mills...1000 meters of downhill, coast in 5th
 
Re: Fuel economy - coasting vs decel (spoonie)

The other part of this issue...
Is the additional distance you get from coasting -vs- leaving it in gear worth the fuel economy penalty? It is with my B4 (stock tranny).
The distance the car travels in gear will always be less than if you had coasted (due to "engine braking penalty"); the difference is even greater if you're not in the highest gear. Tire inflation pressure, size and other rolling resistance factors influence fuel economy. If you need tires, look for something with an inflation pressure over 44 psi (Michelin MXV Green X http://****************.com/smile/emthup.gif).
You really need to drive the same trip several times using each different driving style to come up with hard numbers. My guess is that >75% of you will find that the additional distance traveled while coasting makes up for the additional fuel used ("VR sip"
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[pun]YMMV[/pun]
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Re: Fuel economy - coasting vs decel (Electron Man)

thanks for the awesome input folks.
so far, with my compeltely un-scientific approach i've found that i get less L/100km useage of fuel when i coast down long stretches of hill (say, 1-2km) vs leaving it in 5th to engine brake the car.
My best result doing this has been 6.2L/100km over a specific 56km trip, where my best result taking it easy and not using any neutral sections on hills is closer to the gov't spec of 7.7L/100km - or, my average which is slightly better at 7.4L/100km
its worth noting that i dont do much highway driving at all anymore since i moved, so i rarely see below 9.2L/100km on short city trips.
 
Re: Fuel economy - coasting vs decel (spoonie)

Quote, originally posted by spoonie »
... my compeltely un-scientific approach ...

I really am planning on doing some scientific analysis with the VAG-COM when my finals are done, after june 5th. I plan on doing at least 5 runs on the same hill using both methods with both the VR and with the 2.0. So twenty runs.
 
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