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#21 ·
Re: Genuinely Curious... (Jeebs)

I don't think it's the cars, it's the "scene". As Americans, we are constantly under fire for being lazy/unoriginal. The last "original" car scene we had was the muscle car revolution (maybe the low-riders too). We had nothing in the 80's, and started stealing from the Asian scene in the 90's. The only original cars coming out of the NA market are trucks. And Nissan, Honda, and Toyota are building better ones every day.
Hondas, Nissans, Mitsubishi (only evos), Subaru (only WRX), Acura, etc. are all well built and reliable cars with some excellent performance characteristics. There are some tuners out ther putting out world beaters, but most are following the herd.
I mean, we go through cycles on the 'tex of following trends don't we? I am a little sick of hearing the term "Euro".
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We have a smaller following than the Asian scene by far, it gives us the opportunity to be individuals. I love that. I love that I can come here and ask a question and very rarely get flamed for it. This is the "scene" I choose because I am not 16 and uninformed about true performance tuning. Unfortunately, mass marketing, entertainment, and aftermarket manufacturers have led a lot of Asian tuners down the wrong path. That is why I don't like their scene. I don't hate the cars.
 
#22 ·
Re: Genuinely Curious... (Jeebs)

Quote, originally posted by Jeebs »

8V Fury said:
vws are the first true import to be modified on our shores alot and widely.
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How do you figure?
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the mk1 rabbit = first 'pocket rocket'. came long before riced out civics and integras.
as to why we 'hate' them? i don't hate them all, some of them, but not all. a lot depends on the owner. some guys really know what they're talking about, but it's the ones who have no idea that really give the scene a bad name. ie, that muffler bearing video..haha
 
#23 ·
Re: Genuinely Curious... (umeng2002)

Quote, originally posted by umeng2002 »
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Its the whole 16yo putting a 5 inch catback system on a 1.6L engine with a $400 pipe on the intake which sucks in the hot air from under the hood type of tuning.
Or its the 16yo putting a fart can on his civic, which you can hear a mile away and I can still beat in my mom's old Ford Contour.
Or its the neon lights on the windshield spray nozzles
Or its the Neon ground lights
Or its the neon lights around the license plate frame
Or its putting huge wings on a FWD car
Or its really tacky paint jobs and stickers (see above movie)
Or its the complete lack of tuning knowledge where a muffler or lower suspension turns a car into a sports car
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Or its the huge power numbers*
*numbers achieved above most normal car's redline
Or its the $50 shift nob
Or its the plastic interior which is the same exact color/s as the exterior
Or its the 50 LCD monitors hooked up to a PS2 running Midnight Run
Or its the go cart feeling when driving the older ones
Or its the less than stellar robustness of the cars/ road presence
Given that, I'm a fan of any car that focuses on performance and refinement with 1 color that includes minimal body kits (if any- flares and new Corrado bumpers) that improve driving.
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*For instance, my cousin has a s2000 and he's getting a turbo kit. It's plane white w/out a fart can. I'd hit it all night and day.
Modified by umeng2002 at 4:38 AM 5-23-2006

If you don't like LCD monitors, or putting bigger wings (than Jetta GLI-spoiler
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) or putting neon lights in different places, then DON'T!!
But maybe everyone has not the same taste, and don't like same things. You want stock, "OEM", well go for it. But, IMO it's sometimes boring to see many cars that all look like each other. It's refreshening when not all do exact same things on their mk2, "just stock
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". Maybe someone like LCD monitors, maybe someone like wings, and so on. Aren't you tired of all these for example Jettas that they all resemble each other(These all with BBS RM or Porsche Wheels), these with all single headlights, and if they have a rear spoiler, they all have the same one, Jetta GLI-spoiler(Here in Europe they are stock on Jetta GT).
Well this is what I'm thinking, maybe you guys don't agree, but I don't think that there is limits for what you can do, and not do, on your mk2. I have seen many examples of mk2's that looks really ricey, and with no taste. Then I've seen those who has maked their mk2's with a great taste, with maybe some inspirations of "Ricers".
And notice: I'm really not a ricey-lover, I love my Jetta, I love VW, and I definetely love German cars. I can never think of get a Asian car, or an American(sorry, those who love American cars
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#24 ·
Quote, originally posted by umeng2002 »
Damn you must be psychic, you should see the pile of repair bills in the filing cabinet. Hasn't ran since last August.

Just figured... a friend of mine had a Contour that was a royal POS, and I've heard bad things about Contours before... at least it gave its life to reinforce just how important timing belts are to me...
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Quote, originally posted by CamdensDad »
The only original cars coming out of the NA market are trucks.

Original? They're just refreshing the same 1960's chassis... and it's the Germans that are coming up with original trucks...
Quote, originally posted by CamdensDad »
I love that I can come here and ask a question and very rarely get flamed for it.

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(Let's face it, if you don't meet the "vortex style", people get flamed... look at that carbon fiber hood thread...)


Modified by bhtooefr at 8:33 AM 5-23-2006
 
#25 ·
Re: Genuinely Curious... (Jeebs)

Im not a honda hater, but i love low end torque. If i was ever to get a japanese car it would be a nissan, cause who cant look at the drift scene and not want a 240 or something of the sort.
 
#26 ·
Re: Genuinely Curious... (ineedagtiinnj)

I dont like hondas because every single one I've driven I feel cramped in, and the drive qualities are nothing if not numb and limp.
 
#27 ·
Re: (dastardize)

Quote, originally posted by dastardize »
Fine, 1987 Toyota Carolla a.k.a. the Trueno. Rear-wheel drive with just as many engine swap options as any mkII. Can be found for about $1200. I've seen some at my local track practicing autox. With about $3000 on engine and suspension, these things easily get into the mid 14-second quarter mile and destroy most things when it comes to autox. I'm not trying to argue, I just want to prove th point that there are plenty of people who modify their non-german imports the "right" way on the same budgets we do. But when you see 1500 Honda Civics driving around and half of them think that the $100 they spent on their bodykit and altezza tailights make them a certified racecar driver, it becomes difficult to see the good-looking ones. Think about it, of all the mkII jetta's out there, how many are modified?

That is, IF you can find one
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It's probably the only car I'd give up my MK2 for. Except a B3 syncro.
 
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#28 ·
Re: (Black Smokin' Diesel)

It is basic instinct. You have to compete against something.
And those damn ricers are going down!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
It takes more money, patience, knolowedge, dedication, taste, and love for the car to pimp a vw and make it sick than to rice up a japanese car cause you have tons of money and they sell the "tunning"
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parts at wallmart.
Hondas feel like riding a fly, when you are driving a volks is like running with cheettas.
 
#29 ·
Re: Genuinely Curious... (Meke007)

Quote, originally posted by Meke007 »

Maybe someone like LCD monitors, maybe someone like wings, and so on.

You only supported hating on rice with that statement. SOMEONE likes them. Exactly. Most of us here, however, do not. That is why we do not condone the installation of these products into motor vehicles. I honestly feel that wings are for planes and TVs are for your living room. Cars are for driving....on the ground.
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Aren't you tired of all these for example Jettas that they all resemble each other

Absolutely not.
 
#30 ·
Re: (indianakar)

Here's why...
Pre F&F. The imports were struggling to gain anything close to a "Good" Reputation. I know I was in it. My 98 Nissan Altima, with all the goods even an SR20DET swap. We had just started to be accepted as an equal in the show scene by all the hot rodders. But then that damn movie came out and sent everything into the dark ages. After that every stupid kid in a Camry wanted to "race" on the street like an idiot. Everyone had a big stupid muffler that drug the ground. It took my car that I worked so hard on to make a "family car" clean and fun and might as well had set it on fire. That's why I moved to VW. The scene is totally different in the fact that the VW/Audi enthusiasts host their own shows. Which is great because mostly the only people that show up are enthusiasts. I just attended DOTL and it's the first VW/Audi show. I found everyone to be friendly and willing to talk about anything. I've gone to shows in Columbus, Carlisle, Richmond, and many others. Frankly the VW scene is much better...
My Altima
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#31 ·
I respect a tastefully modded Honda when I see one. Just as much as I dislike a "ricey" Volkswagen when I see one.
If I see a nice Honda at a car show, or in a parking lot. I'll walk over and take a look at it. There's nothing wrong with Honda in general, just the "tuning" that some kids choose to do to them. There are sooooooooo many Honda's around with nothing more than a cheap, heavy, UGLY body kit and a new muffler. And those are the Honda's I dislike. But out where I live, there are also quite a few turbo hatch's that I think are just flat out SICK. There's one white one that has everything from the front seats back gutted a full five lug conversion. You see that thing roll up behind you on the highway, and the first thing that hits you is the huge FMIC tucked behind the bumper. It's pretty awesome.
 
#32 ·
Re: (bhtooefr)

bhtooefr wrote:
Original? They're just refreshing the same 1960's chassis... and it's the Germans that are coming up with original trucks...
I am talking about modding trucks, where else in the world to they do to trucks what Americans do to trucks? Unimog aside, American Trucks (regardless of your chassis argument which is moot, vw used the same motor for 50 years!) have been original since their inception. But I have no need for a truck, I was just trying to draw a parallel, but I failed. Miserably.
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Also, I have been flamed plenty of times. However, most MKII forum guys do it the right way. If there is a right way there is!
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Modified by CamdensDad at 7:16 AM 5-23-2006
 
#33 ·
Re: Genuinely Curious... (PDXDubLove)

Quote, originally posted by PDXDubLove »

yeah there are. how often do you see a nicely modified VW driving down the street? its usually some idiot that threw some les schwab rims on some beater ass vw. it just so happens that the necessary materials needed for destroying a stock automobile are more widely available for asian imports. its not the honda scene that i hate...its the self proclaimed boy-racer, fart can aficionado, so-called "tuners" that bring down the whole honda scene, or any car scene for that matter.

the pnw is a perfect example of why i dont care for hondas or their drivers. Alot of morons. its a 90% idiot rate. And also dont use magazines as an example, thats like generalizing all of us off of pvw. But also i shouldnt really say i dont care for the cars as much as i dont care for most the owners. Its the typical 16 yr old kids first car that tries to race you at every god damn street light or on the freeway. Its the kid that weaves in and out of traffic at 90. There are alot of respectable rides out there and non rice owners that actually know what they are doing, i do respect those guys but they are def. not the majority in the pnw. http://****************.com/smile/emthup.gif

Modified by a2coupe2a_ at 7:19 AM 5-23-2006


Modified by a2coupe2a_ at 7:20 AM 5-23-2006
 
#34 ·
Re: (Project 88)

AS for blaming hondas for rice thats ridiculous, from what i know i have never seen a car put a wings west kit on by its self and a huge wing or what ever, you cant blame a car company for what its owners do to their cars. I think the reason hondas are being torn up and riced down is mainly in part because they are inexpensive to modify/fix/maintain, and are also very plentiful on the west coast. If you think all hondas are inferior to vw's then you are just as ignorant and stupid as the ricers. The truth is Honda's are just as good if not better platform for porformance than vw. I dont know if any of you have actually worked on a honda versus a vw but i ensure you if you ever try to change a water pump in a gli versus lets say a gsr you might reconsider your ignorant "i hate honda" If you are gonna blame anyone blame the idiots that put what was a GREAT factory built car through hell, and not the car company that is the most competitive with vw. PS ive been around 600-800 HP civics, yea how many cylinders.


Modified by HAMgolf at 3:25 PM 5-23-2006
 
#35 ·
Re: (HAMgolf)

Quote, originally posted by HAMgolf »
I dont know if any of you have actually worked on a honda versus a vw but i ensure you if you ever try to change a water pump in a gli versus lets say a gsr you might reconsider your ignorant "i hate honda".

.... ok yeah.. umm go change an alternator on a honda. Lets see how you feel then. Great design there for ya http://****************.com/smile/emthdown.gif
 
#36 ·
Re: (a2coupe2a_)

Quote, originally posted by a2coupe2a_ »
.... ok yeah.. umm go change an alternator on a honda. Lets see how you feel then. Great design there for ya http://****************.com/smile/emthdown.gif


There are plus's and minus's to either car obviously, close mindedness http://****************.com/smile/emthup.gif And ive actually done that, its not that bad. Id much rather change an alternator in that than a water pump in my own car.


Modified by HAMgolf at 3:29 PM 5-23-2006
 
#37 ·
Re: (HAMgolf)

Quote, originally posted by HAMgolf »
AS for blaming hondas for rice thats ridiculous, from what i know i have never seen a car put a wings west kit on by its self and a huge wing or what ever, you cant blame a car company for what its owners do to their cars. I think the reason hondas are being torn up and riced down is mainly in part because they are inexpensive to modify/fix/maintain, and are also very plentiful on the west coast. If you think all hondas are inferior to vw's then you are just as ignorant and stupid as the ricers. The truth is Honda's are just as good if not better platform for porformance than vw. I dont know if any of you have actually worked on a honda versus a vw but i ensure you if you ever try to change a water pump in a gli versus lets say a gsr you might reconsider your ignorant "i hate honda" If you are gonna blame anyone blame the idiots that put what was a GREAT factory built car through hell, and not the car company that is the most competitive with vw. PS ive been around 600-800 HP civics, yea how many cylinders.

Modified by HAMgolf at 3:25 PM 5-23-2006

Im right there with you. Hondas are better cars and theres no denying it......Unfortunately, the good name has been smeared by punk kids with bad paint jobs and big wings.....Ill be the first to admit I drool when I see an integra with a JDM front end....drool. The VW "scene" is what I love and the fact that no one around me has a mk2 that looks like mine.
 
#38 ·
Re: (Mk2GTiG60)

Quote, originally posted by Mk2GTiG60 »
Im right there with you. Hondas are better cars and theres no denying it......Unfortunately, the good name has been smeared by punk kids with bad paint jobs and big wings.....Ill be the first to admit I drool when I see an integra with a JDM front end....drool. The VW "scene" is what I love and the fact that no one around me has a mk2 that looks like mine.
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#39 ·
Re: (Mk2GTiG60)

Quote, originally posted by Mk2GTiG60 »
The VW "scene" is what I love and the fact that no one around me has a mk2 that looks like mine.

http://****************.com/smile/emthup.gif exactly...
 
#40 ·
I think a lot of people claim to hate hondas because as a dubber they feel that they aught to.
The actual trouble with hondas is that they really aren't enthusiast's cars. as posted, they are so reliable that they aren't every user friendly to play with yourself.
they are however good performers, and in some cases can look cool. but for the reasons above I wouldn't own one personally.
Also I don't think the scene is as good as the VW scene.
Paul
 
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