I heard the nightmares with the cylinder heads and other diesel troubles of the earlier v10s and I'm about to pull the trigger on a new 06 V10 (Offroad Gray w/dark gray interior with all options, except 19s). Should I pass and get another V8 or is the V10 worth the experience. I've had 4 Touaregs (1-V6 and 3 V8s). VW had to buy the v6 and first v8 back from me because they stayed in the shop more than I was able to drive them. The other 2 V8s have been trouble free. Couple more things; Is it true that the 06's do not come with Nappa leather, dark wood trim, TPMS and roof racks? I'm getting about $15,500 off sticker of the V10. Or should I just wait for the 08 FSI. I have someone who wants to buy my loaded 05 V8 with all options plus all of Spockat's mods (push button start. paddle shifters, etc.) One more thing; Will the 06 be able to be vagged with all the mods like the earlier models? Thanks for the replies in advance.
2006 V10 More Reliable Than Earlier V10s?
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I heard the nightmares with the cylinder heads and other diesel troubles of the earlier v10s and I'm about to pull the trigger on a new 06 V10 (Offroad Gray w/dark gray interior with all options, except 19s). Should I pass and get another V8 or is the V10 worth the experience. I've had 4 Touaregs (1-V6 and 3 V8s). VW had to buy the v6 and first v8 back from me because they stayed in the shop more than I was able to drive them. The other 2 V8s have been trouble free. Couple more things; Is it true that the 06's do not come with Nappa leather, dark wood trim, TPMS and roof racks? I'm getting about $15,500 off sticker of the V10. Or should I just wait for the 08 FSI. I have someone who wants to buy my loaded 05 V8 with all options plus all of Spockat's mods (push button start. paddle shifters, etc.) One more thing; Will the 06 be able to be vagged with all the mods like the earlier models? Thanks for the replies in advance.
How so? I'm real tight with my dealer and he showed me all the discounts he was getting from VW. The district rep was there and we were able to get another $2500 off. The price is invoice minus $7500. MSRP is $70,000. Invoice is $63,500. Is the discount a regional thing? Also, the $3000 owner royalty does not apply to diesels, only V6s and V8s.
Re: (joereg)
It was rumored that Dealers who purchased 3 or more 2006 V10's got a better deal and were able to discount significantly more. This is speculation but there were a ton of 2006's because they were held at port and not released until ULSD was more readily available. What basically happened was both the 2006 and 2007 V10 were released exactly at the same time. Now, not many people would purchase a 2006 for the same price as a 2007 so VW was making discounts to the dealers who would take a serious allocation of such.
Moral of story, purchase from a dealer who has volume in these and you will save many thousands of dollars.
Last, It seems to me to be foolish to purchase a 2006 for over $60K when you can get a 2007 V10 for the same price as they are also being discounted a bit now but nowhere near the level of the 2006's. Stohlman VW, a local VW dealer in my area, has a 2007 V10 for under $59K so why go with a 2006 and pay such a premium...you could fly and pick one up and pay much less
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Several forum members have gone out of state and across many states to save and deal with a dealer who has these incentives.
Good Luck...BTW - The dealers are always the last to know anything including what other dealers are doing. It seems there aren't that many true VW enthusiasts in the VW sales business (except the few great ones that post on forums like this). Very few stay up with the facts of what is going on across the country with special deals and incentives. I even called a dealer who showed they had a couple of 2006 V10 models but I was told they had just sold them so I asked if they had any 2007's and I was told they were not out yet
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Modified by V10 at 6:48 PM 4-10-2007
It was rumored that Dealers who purchased 3 or more 2006 V10's got a better deal and were able to discount significantly more. This is speculation but there were a ton of 2006's because they were held at port and not released until ULSD was more readily available. What basically happened was both the 2006 and 2007 V10 were released exactly at the same time. Now, not many people would purchase a 2006 for the same price as a 2007 so VW was making discounts to the dealers who would take a serious allocation of such.
Moral of story, purchase from a dealer who has volume in these and you will save many thousands of dollars.
Last, It seems to me to be foolish to purchase a 2006 for over $60K when you can get a 2007 V10 for the same price as they are also being discounted a bit now but nowhere near the level of the 2006's. Stohlman VW, a local VW dealer in my area, has a 2007 V10 for under $59K so why go with a 2006 and pay such a premium...you could fly and pick one up and pay much less
Several forum members have gone out of state and across many states to save and deal with a dealer who has these incentives.
Good Luck...BTW - The dealers are always the last to know anything including what other dealers are doing. It seems there aren't that many true VW enthusiasts in the VW sales business (except the few great ones that post on forums like this). Very few stay up with the facts of what is going on across the country with special deals and incentives. I even called a dealer who showed they had a couple of 2006 V10 models but I was told they had just sold them so I asked if they had any 2007's and I was told they were not out yet
Modified by V10 at 6:48 PM 4-10-2007
Re: (joereg)
The MSRP on the one I'm looking at is $68,920 and the out the door price is $53,420. There are only 3 options avaialble to this vehicle:19" wheels, roof rack, trailer hitch. It has the trailer hitch on it.
BTW - I started this thread by asking about reliability of the V10, not pricing or availability. So owners of V10, please chime in, specially those with prior to 2006 models. Or are you afraid to admit you made a $60,000 mistake?
The MSRP on the one I'm looking at is $68,920 and the out the door price is $53,420. There are only 3 options avaialble to this vehicle:19" wheels, roof rack, trailer hitch. It has the trailer hitch on it.
BTW - I started this thread by asking about reliability of the V10, not pricing or availability. So owners of V10, please chime in, specially those with prior to 2006 models. Or are you afraid to admit you made a $60,000 mistake?
Re: (jrtouareg)
So you are not greatful others are trying to help you get a better deal? Way to make friends
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To answer the question, V10's should not be any different than V6/V8's as far as the issues that plauged 04's. I would also think any engine issues would be ironed out on the 06/07's so yes the 2006 should be a lot better than an 04 as far as reliability is concerned.
| Quote, originally posted by jrtouareg » |
| BTW - I started this thread by asking about reliability of the V10, not pricing or availability. |
So you are not greatful others are trying to help you get a better deal? Way to make friends
To answer the question, V10's should not be any different than V6/V8's as far as the issues that plauged 04's. I would also think any engine issues would be ironed out on the 06/07's so yes the 2006 should be a lot better than an 04 as far as reliability is concerned.
Re: (chickdr)
Did not mean to be offensive, I just thought we were getting out of subject. As you can see, I was actually going along with the thread and realized no one was answering my original questions. There were a lot of problems associated and unique to the v10s, specially the engine. The dealer I have been buying from for almost 20 years now told me that the only three diesels they sold they had major problems with and even though everything was fixed under warranty, the owners were out of their vehicles for quite a long time. Two of them, who had cylinder head problems, they had to replace the entire engine. Parts took 3-4 months to get. I had so many problems with my first 2 Touaregs that VW bought it back from me. I do not want those experiences again. Which brings up a point in "shopping for price". If it wasn't for a great dealer, I probably would not consider the V10. My dealer has taken care of me during those times so I feel like I should shop at their store. They did not have a v10 and actually is trading with another dealer so they can sell me one; and will give me all the available discounts out there.
Did not mean to be offensive, I just thought we were getting out of subject. As you can see, I was actually going along with the thread and realized no one was answering my original questions. There were a lot of problems associated and unique to the v10s, specially the engine. The dealer I have been buying from for almost 20 years now told me that the only three diesels they sold they had major problems with and even though everything was fixed under warranty, the owners were out of their vehicles for quite a long time. Two of them, who had cylinder head problems, they had to replace the entire engine. Parts took 3-4 months to get. I had so many problems with my first 2 Touaregs that VW bought it back from me. I do not want those experiences again. Which brings up a point in "shopping for price". If it wasn't for a great dealer, I probably would not consider the V10. My dealer has taken care of me during those times so I feel like I should shop at their store. They did not have a v10 and actually is trading with another dealer so they can sell me one; and will give me all the available discounts out there.
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there never really was any problem with my 2004 v-10 so hope this helps. just little things all covered under warranty. its tempting to get a 2006 for 50k.
there never really was any problem with my 2004 v-10 so hope this helps. just little things all covered under warranty. its tempting to get a 2006 for 50k.
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Re: (torquedork)
Just got a 2007 V10 with Option Package 2, Nav and Trailer Hitch for $56...before the $3k owner loyalty...which further reduced it. It was a one up at the dealer I bought it from, so prices will vary. It's safe to say that 2008's running of the line have VW concerned over bloated inventory, so they're being aggressive in helping the dealers move them. I can't say enough about the V10, it's awesome. After seeing more and more photos of the 2008 grill, I'm happy I pulled the trigger on the 2007. The new one's look more like a Jetta with all the cheap looking chrome. They we're trying to follow Audi with the grill, but missed the mark with the cheap appearance. Go for a 2006 or 2007 if you can. For what they're selling for, I believe they'll level out over the years and ultimately hold even more value than the 2004 once did.
Just got a 2007 V10 with Option Package 2, Nav and Trailer Hitch for $56...before the $3k owner loyalty...which further reduced it. It was a one up at the dealer I bought it from, so prices will vary. It's safe to say that 2008's running of the line have VW concerned over bloated inventory, so they're being aggressive in helping the dealers move them. I can't say enough about the V10, it's awesome. After seeing more and more photos of the 2008 grill, I'm happy I pulled the trigger on the 2007. The new one's look more like a Jetta with all the cheap looking chrome. They we're trying to follow Audi with the grill, but missed the mark with the cheap appearance. Go for a 2006 or 2007 if you can. For what they're selling for, I believe they'll level out over the years and ultimately hold even more value than the 2004 once did.
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Re: 2006 V10 More Reliable Than Earlier V10s? (jrtouareg)
I bought my "leftover" 2006 V10 over a month ago, after having owned a loaded PPS V8 2004 that had virtually every option. You are correct that the 2006 (and 2007) V10s don't come with Nappa leather, the upgraded Myrtle or Valvona wood trim, TPMS, ski sack, or heated steering wheel. The gear selector no longer has any wood trim -- even the V10s have been "de-contented" by VW. 2006 V10s that came with roof racks included the old style cross-bars, but they are black and don't match the silver tracks built into the roof. Even the steering wheel is cheaper -- it now comes with 4 seams instead of a single leather seam, and has less padding than on my 2004.
However, having said all that, the 2006 V10 is much more fun to drive with the low-end torque and Servotronic (variable-ratio) power steering not included on my 2004 V8. I also love the backup rear camera and much better mileage. My V10 was delivered with only a single problem, the rear hatch popping open unexpectedly. Otherwise it's been far more trouble-free than my 2004 V8. (And I paid under $50K -- $20K off sticker -- for my V10 with the loyalty rebate.)
To answer your other question, yes, you can VAG the 2006 V10 the same as a 2004. I've turned off annoying chimes, added the "6-gun salute" to the headlights, etc. and added the keyless start.
My advice at this point is to wait a few more months and look for a good deal on a 2007 V10 instead of a 2006. The 2007s come with the much nicer style silver roof rails (which otherwise cost at least $875 to add), the keyless start button (another $250 to add), steerable headlights, and power trunklid not on the 2006s. I gotta belive VW will have to increase the incentives on the 2007 V10s to help dealers get rid of them with the introduction of the 2008 facelifted models, so I expect 2007 V10s to be available for little more than the 2006s, and you'll suffer one less year of depreciation.
- Dave
| Quote, originally posted by jrtouareg » |
| ...Is it true that the 06's do not come with Nappa leather, dark wood trim, TPMS and roof racks?...One more thing; Will the 06 be able to be vagged with all the mods like the earlier models? |
I bought my "leftover" 2006 V10 over a month ago, after having owned a loaded PPS V8 2004 that had virtually every option. You are correct that the 2006 (and 2007) V10s don't come with Nappa leather, the upgraded Myrtle or Valvona wood trim, TPMS, ski sack, or heated steering wheel. The gear selector no longer has any wood trim -- even the V10s have been "de-contented" by VW. 2006 V10s that came with roof racks included the old style cross-bars, but they are black and don't match the silver tracks built into the roof. Even the steering wheel is cheaper -- it now comes with 4 seams instead of a single leather seam, and has less padding than on my 2004.
However, having said all that, the 2006 V10 is much more fun to drive with the low-end torque and Servotronic (variable-ratio) power steering not included on my 2004 V8. I also love the backup rear camera and much better mileage. My V10 was delivered with only a single problem, the rear hatch popping open unexpectedly. Otherwise it's been far more trouble-free than my 2004 V8. (And I paid under $50K -- $20K off sticker -- for my V10 with the loyalty rebate.)
To answer your other question, yes, you can VAG the 2006 V10 the same as a 2004. I've turned off annoying chimes, added the "6-gun salute" to the headlights, etc. and added the keyless start.
My advice at this point is to wait a few more months and look for a good deal on a 2007 V10 instead of a 2006. The 2007s come with the much nicer style silver roof rails (which otherwise cost at least $875 to add), the keyless start button (another $250 to add), steerable headlights, and power trunklid not on the 2006s. I gotta belive VW will have to increase the incentives on the 2007 V10s to help dealers get rid of them with the introduction of the 2008 facelifted models, so I expect 2007 V10s to be available for little more than the 2006s, and you'll suffer one less year of depreciation.
- Dave
Re: 2006 V10 More Reliable Than Earlier V10s? (uberanalyst)
Having a '07 would be nice but I doubt if the level of incentives would get to the 'o6 level anytime soon. Remember that the dealers still have sometime to sell the '07s before the '08 V10s get here.
Buying at this time is getting to be a hard decision since the '08s are kind of around the corner, and the selection of '06s are low.
I however do like the 'non-raised' roof rails of the '06 vs the '07. But the button start and powered hatch is nice (glad I can get one retrofitted).
As far as reliability goes...I think its still not a sure thing compared to the earlier years.
| Quote, originally posted by uberanalyst » |
My advice at this point is to wait a few more months and look for a good deal on a 2007 V10 instead of a 2006. The 2007s come with the much nicer style silver roof rails (which otherwise cost at least $875 to add), the keyless start button (another $250 to add), steerable headlights, and power trunklid not on the 2006s. I gotta belive VW will have to increase the incentives on the 2007 V10s to help dealers get rid of them with the introduction of the 2008 facelifted models, so I expect 2007 V10s to be available for little more than the 2006s, and you'll suffer one less year of depreciation. - Dave |
Having a '07 would be nice but I doubt if the level of incentives would get to the 'o6 level anytime soon. Remember that the dealers still have sometime to sell the '07s before the '08 V10s get here.
Buying at this time is getting to be a hard decision since the '08s are kind of around the corner, and the selection of '06s are low.
I however do like the 'non-raised' roof rails of the '06 vs the '07. But the button start and powered hatch is nice (glad I can get one retrofitted).
As far as reliability goes...I think its still not a sure thing compared to the earlier years.
Re: 2006 V10 More Reliable Than Earlier V10s? (jrtouareg)
I am approaching 10,000 miles of absolutely trouble free miles with my 06. I think (and hope) all of the gremlins from the earlier versions have been sorted out. This engine is awesome! Mr. Stokes rode with me and he could not believe the power it had. I have noticed the key fob range is at least 10 times better than my 04. I do not have the tpms which is valuable to someone who drives around jobsites alot. I also don't have the dark wood trim or the nappa. I noticed one problem while my Dad and I followed each other to Charlotte, my speedometer reads about 3 mph faster than I am actually doing. I am sure this has been discussed here and they can recalibrate it, but I don't mind because it it helps to keep me from getting a ticket. I don't know of any SUV that can do 0-60 in 6.3 seconds (I have clocked it) and still get 20 to 22mpg. The only time I have been back to Stokes is for an oil change. I would get the 07 roof racks with the cross bars (see picture below)
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I am approaching 10,000 miles of absolutely trouble free miles with my 06. I think (and hope) all of the gremlins from the earlier versions have been sorted out. This engine is awesome! Mr. Stokes rode with me and he could not believe the power it had. I have noticed the key fob range is at least 10 times better than my 04. I do not have the tpms which is valuable to someone who drives around jobsites alot. I also don't have the dark wood trim or the nappa. I noticed one problem while my Dad and I followed each other to Charlotte, my speedometer reads about 3 mph faster than I am actually doing. I am sure this has been discussed here and they can recalibrate it, but I don't mind because it it helps to keep me from getting a ticket. I don't know of any SUV that can do 0-60 in 6.3 seconds (I have clocked it) and still get 20 to 22mpg. The only time I have been back to Stokes is for an oil change. I would get the 07 roof racks with the cross bars (see picture below)
Ronnie- I'm picking mine up this weekend (maybe today). You and I do about the same amount of driving around town, what kind of mileage can I expect (not that it matters). Go up to size 295/45-19 when you need new tires to correct the speedo. I'll be installing the push button start and paddle shifters on this as well. BTW - I'm getting Offroad Gray again. I'm sticking to the old style silver roof rack because I feel like its what makes the truck unique from a distance. Looks more european. I'll try to call ya.
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