Just saw that IE now has 20mm wrist pin rods, another great option for those looking for big power. http://****************.com/smile/emthup.gif
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Another Rod Option
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Just saw that IE now has 20mm wrist pin rods, another great option for those looking for big power. http://****************.com/smile/emthup.gif
http://www.intengineering.com/...32093
http://www.intengineering.com/...32093
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Re: Another Rod Option (TooSlowToCare)
Yes Sir indeed
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| Just saw that IE now has 20mm wrist pin rods, another great option for those looking for big power. http://****************.com/smile/emthup.gif http://www.intengineering.com/...32093 |
Yes Sir indeed
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Re: Another Rod Option (DonR@Unitronic.ca)
Wow, they look similar to the Pauters that are 2x more expensive.
Wow, they look similar to the Pauters that are 2x more expensive.
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Re: Another Rod Option (GlfSprtCT1)
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| Wow, they look similar to the Pauters that are 2x more expensive. |
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·Re: Another Rod Option (GlfSprtCT1)
not really.
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| Quote, originally posted by GlfSprtCT1 » |
| Wow, they look similar to the Pauters that are 2x more expensive. |
not really.
Re: Another Rod Option (GlfSprtCT1)
not exactly. look at mirrors picture. i beam (stock), h beam (scat, IE), and X beam (pauter)...
looks like they still use the arp2000 bolts. are any of these companies offering bolts like the L19s or are those seperate purchases altogether? Ive personally always had good luck with them, but a conversation with a buddy recently kind of has me wondering if its 100 bucks worth of cheap insurance.
| Quote, originally posted by GlfSprtCT1 » |
| Wow, they look similar to the Pauters that are 2x more expensive. |
not exactly. look at mirrors picture. i beam (stock), h beam (scat, IE), and X beam (pauter)...
looks like they still use the arp2000 bolts. are any of these companies offering bolts like the L19s or are those seperate purchases altogether? Ive personally always had good luck with them, but a conversation with a buddy recently kind of has me wondering if its 100 bucks worth of cheap insurance.
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·Re: Another Rod Option (silvercar)
the 2k's get spooky at high revs. but the other camp still runs them up there.
| Quote, originally posted by silvercar » |
not exactly. look at mirrors picture. i beam (stock), h beam (scat, IE), and X beam (pauter)... looks like they still use the arp2000 bolts. are any of these companies offering bolts like the L19s or are those seperate purchases altogether? Ive personally always had good luck with them, but a conversation with a buddy recently kind of has me wondering if its 100 bucks worth of cheap insurance. |
the 2k's get spooky at high revs. but the other camp still runs them up there.
Re: Another Rod Option (Jason@INA)
Do you guys sell the other 2 types? I know the L19s are one, the name of the other compound escapes me right now.
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the 2k's get spooky at high revs. but the other camp still runs them up there. |
Do you guys sell the other 2 types? I know the L19s are one, the name of the other compound escapes me right now.
You have to turn some seriously wicked rpm's with a big crank and a heavy rotating assembly to hurt a 3/8" ARP 2000. Thats why most guys run them even to 10k+ rpm in "the other camps" as jason says.
Now, of course you will have failures, first, nothing is failproof- ask the guys who designed the titanic. Second, its really difficult to say for sure that bolt failures on a forum are not caused by installer error.
Generally though, for the RPM's most vw guys turn with the strokes we run and our small slugs- it just isn't worth spending the extra $$.
Most connecting rod companies buy bolts by the thousands to get a good price- for that reason it doesn't make a lot of sense to break up the quantities into various grades and such- 8740, 2000, L-19, etc- rather just stick with one.
8740, arp2000, L19, and Custom age 625+ are the most common ARP rod bolt materials, they have a couple others as well though.
Now, of course you will have failures, first, nothing is failproof- ask the guys who designed the titanic. Second, its really difficult to say for sure that bolt failures on a forum are not caused by installer error.
Generally though, for the RPM's most vw guys turn with the strokes we run and our small slugs- it just isn't worth spending the extra $$.
Most connecting rod companies buy bolts by the thousands to get a good price- for that reason it doesn't make a lot of sense to break up the quantities into various grades and such- 8740, 2000, L-19, etc- rather just stick with one.
8740, arp2000, L19, and Custom age 625+ are the most common ARP rod bolt materials, they have a couple others as well though.
Re: (turbo_20v)
the IE look like my Scat 144s.... but ill still stick to my Scats. many more years in the game. only option would be Carrillo, or Pauter if i had to do rods again.
the IE look like my Scat 144s.... but ill still stick to my Scats. many more years in the game. only option would be Carrillo, or Pauter if i had to do rods again.
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Re: (Europiece)
you do kind of have a valid point
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| Doubt it really matters, neither is the engine block or crank. Typically if it's bathed in oil it doesn't matter. |
you do kind of have a valid point
Re: (theswoleguy)
FYI, from an engineering point of view... my last job i was a design engineer for Pratt and Whitney, for those of you who don't know them... they make jet engines. Rarely did you see anything corrosion resistant in the lube system or gearbox. I actually have a 14 inch diameter main fan support bearing, and guess what... it has surface rust on it!
FYI, from an engineering point of view... my last job i was a design engineer for Pratt and Whitney, for those of you who don't know them... they make jet engines. Rarely did you see anything corrosion resistant in the lube system or gearbox. I actually have a 14 inch diameter main fan support bearing, and guess what... it has surface rust on it!
Well,probably not a big problem.
I just feel that L19 is LESS corrosive resistant.
There is alot of moisture in a daily driven car engine.
This is from ARP web site
ARP2000®: An exclusive, hybrid-alloy developed to deliver superior strength and better fatigue properties. While 8740 and ARP2000 share similar characteristics – ARP2000 is capable of achieving clamp loads in the 215,000-220,000 psi range. ARP2000 is used widely in short track and drag racing as an up-grade from 8740 chrome moly in both steel and aluminum rods. Stress corrosion and hydrogen embrittlement are typically not a problem, providing care is taken during installation.
L19: This is a premium steel that is processed to deliver superior strength and fatigue properties. L19 is a very high strength material compared to 8740 and ARP2000 and is capable of delivering clamp loads in the 230,000-260,000 psi range. It is primarily used in short track and drag racing applications where inertia loads exceed the clamping capability of ARP2000. Like most high strength, quench and temper steels – L19 requires special care during manufacturing to avoid hydrogen embrittlement. This material is easily contaminated and subject to stress corrosion. It must be kept well-oiled and not exposed to moisture.
I just feel that L19 is LESS corrosive resistant.
There is alot of moisture in a daily driven car engine.
This is from ARP web site
ARP2000®: An exclusive, hybrid-alloy developed to deliver superior strength and better fatigue properties. While 8740 and ARP2000 share similar characteristics – ARP2000 is capable of achieving clamp loads in the 215,000-220,000 psi range. ARP2000 is used widely in short track and drag racing as an up-grade from 8740 chrome moly in both steel and aluminum rods. Stress corrosion and hydrogen embrittlement are typically not a problem, providing care is taken during installation.
L19: This is a premium steel that is processed to deliver superior strength and fatigue properties. L19 is a very high strength material compared to 8740 and ARP2000 and is capable of delivering clamp loads in the 230,000-260,000 psi range. It is primarily used in short track and drag racing applications where inertia loads exceed the clamping capability of ARP2000. Like most high strength, quench and temper steels – L19 requires special care during manufacturing to avoid hydrogen embrittlement. This material is easily contaminated and subject to stress corrosion. It must be kept well-oiled and not exposed to moisture.
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Re: (NORSK)
Damn that hydrogen.
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Damn that hydrogen.
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·Re: (the_q_jet)
sure we are. build it for 800whp, to run a 28r wheel turbo on it. then bitch about how much it all cost in the end.
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| talk about taking it too far...we arent running funny cars here folks... |
sure we are. build it for 800whp, to run a 28r wheel turbo on it. then bitch about how much it all cost in the end.
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