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Discussion starter · #1 ·
This question may be a little vague as im not exactly sure Im using the right term for what im thinking of, but my friend puts (injector cleaner, not sure) into his gas tank after he fills up. He does it like every 2month, but im pretty sure you only have to do it every few thousand miles. He says it helps keep the engine clean and all that. My question is what exactly is it (right now i cant think of the name) and is it something worth using?
Sorry if my question is a little fragmented and confusing, its late, and im kinda tired.
 
Re: Fuel Additives (JMTombstone)

Quote, originally posted by JMTombstone »
This question may be a little vague as im not exactly sure Im using the right term for what im thinking of, but my friend puts (injector cleaner, not sure) into his gas tank after he fills up. He does it like every 2month, but im pretty sure you only have to do it every few thousand miles. He says it helps keep the engine clean and all that. My question is what exactly is it (right now i cant think of the name) and is it something worth using?
Sorry if my question is a little fragmented and confusing, its late, and im kinda tired.

I like the Lucas gas additive. It seems to work well. I've been using it for almost 40K miles on every fill up.
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Discussion starter · #3 ·
anything else people use that makes a difference?
 
Re: (JMTombstone)

Seafoam http://****************.com/smile/emthup.gif
but only use it before you change your oil http://****************.com/smile/emthup.gif
 
Re: (wagsGTI)

Quote, originally posted by wagsGTI »
what are some safe additives for the VR. i have yet to use any but i have seafoamed once. i really didnt notice a difference so hopfully that means my engine is in good condition.

most likely it is, I did the same about 4 years ago to my vr and my brother's 2.0, neither car felt any different afterwards, turned out they were both in great shape to begin with http://****************.com/smile/emthup.gif
 
Re: (708VR6)

has anyone used "engine restore" or whatever that stuff is in the silver can that you add to the oil? curious if it's worth the couple bucks or if it does more harm than good. http://****************.com/smile/emthdown.gif / http://****************.com/smile/emthup.gif
 
Re: (MyCarIsRed)

Quote, originally posted by MyCarIsRed »
has anyone used "engine restore" or whatever that stuff is in the silver can that you add to the oil? curious if it's worth the couple bucks or if it does more harm than good. http://****************.com/smile/emthdown.gif / http://****************.com/smile/emthup.gif

thats exactly like seafoam pretty much
 
Re: (wagsGTI)

Quote, originally posted by wagsGTI »
what are some safe additives for the VR. i have yet to use any but i have seafoamed once. i really didnt notice a difference so hopfully that means my engine is in good condition.

search seafoam and there is a different way to use it, so it cleans carbon out of your car, that you can tell a difference with http://****************.com/smile/emthup.gif
 
Re: (rdubVr6)

Quote, originally posted by rdubVr6 »

search seafoam and there is a different way to use it, so it cleans carbon out of your car, that you can tell a difference with http://****************.com/smile/emthup.gif

I added half a can to my oil 500 miles before an oil change. I also put in a full tank of 93 octane with a full bottle of seafoam. I also put half a can in through the intake. let it sit for about 5-10 mins and rode it hard for about 15 mins. not too much smoke but there was a little durring take off.
I wasnt impressed with the whole seafoam thing.
 
Discussion starter · #12 ·
has anyone tried Techron Fuel System Cleaner or any STP products like the gas treatment, fuel system cleaner, or octane booster?
 
Re: (wagsGTI)

Quote, originally posted by wagsGTI »

I added half a can to my oil 500 miles before an oil change. I also put in a full tank of 93 octane with a full bottle of seafoam. I also put half a can in through the intake. let it sit for about 5-10 mins and rode it hard for about 15 mins. not too much smoke but there was a little durring take off.
I wasnt impressed with the whole seafoam thing.

soo what was the oil weight when hot when you put half a bottle in the oil?????...scary
an oil additive every fill up is very paranoid..maybe every oil change would be better..oil sludge/carbon deposits dont happen that fast..do they
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Re: Fuel Additives (JMTombstone)

I would stay away from that stuff. Not worth the money.
Stick with a top tier gas and your good.
http://www.toptiergas.com/retailers.html
Here is why.
Most aftermarket fuel additives are not cost-effective. These include the
octane-enhancer solutions. There are various other
pills, tablets, magnets, filters, etc. that all claim to improve either fuel
economy or performance. Some of these have perfectly sound scientific
mechanisms, unfortunately they are not cost-effective. Some do not even have
sound scientific mechanisms. Because the same model production vehicles can
vary significantly, it's expensive to unambiguously demonstrate these
additives are not cost-effective. If you wish to try them, remember the
biggest gain is likely to be caused by the lower mass of your wallet/purse.
There is one aftermarket additive that may be cost-effective, the lubricity
additive used with unleaded gasolines to combat exhaust valve seat recession
on engines that do not have seat inserts. This additive may be routinely
added during the first few years of unleaded by the gasoline producers, but
in the US this could not occur because they did not have EPA waivers, and
also may be incompatible with 2-stroke engine oil additives and form a gel
that blocks filters. The amount of recession is very dependent on the engine
design and driving style. The long-term solution is to install inserts, or
have the seats hardened, at the next top overhaul.
Some other fuel additives work, especially those that are carefully
formulated into the gasoline by the manufacturer at the refinery, and
have often been subjected to decades-long evaluation and use [12,13].
A typical gasoline may contain [16,27,32,38,111]:-
* Oil-soluble Dye, initially added to leaded gasoline at about 10 ppm to
prevent its misuse as an industrial solvent, and now also used
to identify grades of product.
* Antioxidants, typically phenylene diamines or hindered phenols, are
added to prevent oxidation of unsaturated hydrocarbons.
* Metal Deactivators, typically about 10ppm of chelating agent such as
N,N'-disalicylidene-1,2-propanediamine is added to inhibit copper,
which can rapidly catalyze oxidation of unsaturated hydrocarbons.
* Corrosion Inhibitors, about 5ppm of oil-soluble surfactants are added
to prevent corrosion caused either by water condensing from cooling,
water-saturated gasoline, or from condensation from air onto the
walls of almost-empty gasoline tanks that drop below the dew point.
If your gasoline travels along a pipeline, it's possible the pipeline
owner will add additional corrosion inhibitor to the fuel.
* Anti-icing Additives, used mainly with carburetted cars, and usually either
a surfactant, alcohol or glycol.
* Anti-wear Additives, these are used to control wear in the upper cylinder
and piston ring area that the gasoline contacts, and are usually
very light hydrocarbon oils. Phosphorus additives can also be used
on engines without exhaust catalyst systems.
* Deposit-modifying Additives, usually surfactants.
1. Carburettor Deposits, additives to prevent these were required when
crankcase blow-by (PCV) and exhaust gas recirculation (EGR) controls
were introduced. Some fuel components reacted with these gas streams
to form deposits on the throat and throttle plate of carburettors.
2. Fuel Injector tips operate about 100C, and deposits form in the
annulus during hot soak, mainly from the oxidation and polymerisation
of the larger unsaturated hydrocarbons. The additives that prevent
and unclog these tips are usually polybutene succinimides or
polyether amines.
3. Intake Valve Deposits caused major problems in the mid-1980s when
some engines had reduced driveability when fully warmed, even though
the amount of deposit was below previously acceptable limits. It is
believed that the new fuels and engine designs were producing a more
absorbent deposit that grabbed some passing fuel vapour, causing lean
hesitation. Intake valves operate about 300C, and if the valve is
kept wet, deposits tend not to form, thus intermittent injectors
tend to promote deposits. Oil leaking through the valve guides can be
either harmful or beneficial, depending on the type and quantity.
Gasoline factors implicated in these deposits include unsaturates and
alcohols. Additives to prevent these deposits contain a detergent
and/or dispersant in a higher molecular weight solvent or light oil
whose low volatility keeps the valve surface wetted [46,47,48].
4. Combustion Chamber Deposits have been targeted in the 1990s, as they
are responsible for significant increases in emissions. Recent
detergent-dispersant additives have the ability to function in both
the liquid and vapour phases to remove existing deposits that have
resulted from the use of other additives, and prevent deposit
formation. Note that these additives can not remove all deposits,
just those resulting from the use of additives.
* Octane Enhancers, these are usually formulated blends of alkyl lead
or MMT compounds in a solvent such as toluene, and added at the
100-1000 ppm levels. They have been replaced by hydrocarbons with
higher octanes such as aromatics and olefins. These hydrocarbons
are now being replaced by a mixture of saturated hydrocarbons and
and oxygenates.
If you wish to play with different fuels and additives, be aware that
some parts of your engine management systems, such as the oxygen sensor,
can be confused by different exhaust gas compositions. An example is
increased quantities of hydrogen from methanol combustion.
Chew on that for a bit, may make you decide not to throw in a can of this or that int he tank.
 
Discussion starter · #15 ·
i do understand that throwing an extra $6-10 each fill up for a can is a little wasteful on what i would get in return, but i looked up and did a little research, and STP Complete Fuel System Cleaner only needs to be put into the engine 2 times a year to keep fuel injectors, carburetors, intake valves and ports, combustion chambers, cylinder heads and piston tops clean. And that is like $7.
 
Re: (JMTombstone)

But STP has what gas already has in it. Your just falling for marketing schemes. I have seen fuel systems get eaten up by adding this stuff 1-2-5 times a year. Eats at rubber and plastic more so in-tank fuel pump hoses, gaskets and bushings need to be replaced sooner. but it's your car and money.
J
 
Re: (AZV6)

Quote, originally posted by AZV6 »
But STP has what gas already has in it. Your just falling for marketing schemes. I have seen fuel systems get eaten up by adding this stuff 1-2-5 times a year. Eats at rubber and plastic more so in-tank fuel pump hoses, gaskets and bushings need to be replaced sooner. but it's your car and money.
J

this is sort of contradictory don't you think? (not trying to start an e-fight) but basically you're saying that these additives are a waste because there are fuel companies already have them mixed with the gasoline. so what's to say that the gasoline at these stations isn't eating away at your rubber parts and seals? if it's the same stuff, it would have the same effects. despite the smaller amounts, the constant use over long term would no doubt have the same reaction.
 
Re: (MyCarIsRed)

Nothing but at least your not adding gas to the fire.
Thats all I am saying.
There is no need to add product to gas, to oil or whatever. Just make sure you purchase top tier gas and good oil that does the job. Everything wears out regardless but there is no need to promote the wear out process, is there?
I have taken my fuel injectors off a 1991 Alfa Romeo 164 that I own (for example). I have always used Top tier fuel, 0 fuel additives ever. This is since I purchased the car new in 1991.
The injectors came back perfect. They where cleaned up for the hell of it since they where there, new o-rings as well. The flow rates where exactly where they where suppose to be, not a single issue with all 6.
I also pulled the fuel pump, basket and all. None of the submerged rubber, plastic hoses where damaged, 0 issues as well.
Now I work on alfa's everyday. I have pulled two tanks in the past few months due to the fuel pump being clogged, lines being clogged, hoses that have disintegrated.
I said how the heck is this happening.
I narrowed it down to fuel additives and cleaners and using cheap gas. I have also seen this in friends vehicles all over.
In this day and age there is no need for seafoam, STP, extra techron, etc and so on.
This is all old school thinking since back in the day gas was not as good, no additives etc, clogged fuel systems and created low performing cars. Now a days you don't need it but they will still sell it to you to give you peace of mind knowing that the average consumer does not know any better.
I have never once used an additive in my current VR6 jetta, or previous GTI's dating back to 1980. Never had fuel issues then either.
So do what you will but I would use that minimal amount spent on STP or whatever and put it towards your gas bill.
Jason
 
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