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Automotive News | March 9, 2009 - 12:01 am EST

Pennsylvania auto dealer Gregory Graham died of a heart attack while torching new vehicles at his struggling dealership, police said last week.
Four flaming cars drew firefighters to Graham Colonial Motors at 2 a.m. on Feb. 17. They discovered Graham's body on the ground.
Graham, 61, died of a heart attack while he was burning the vehicles at his dealership in Ligonier, about 40 miles southeast of Pittsburgh, police and coroners said.
Firefighters found the four flaming cars at the end of a row of about a dozen vehicles on the lot. Several of those vehicles had broken windows and smelled strongly of gasoline, said police who answered emergency calls. They found rolled-up newspapers and a gasoline can nearby.
Graham was a third-generation dealer. His grandfather, Albert, started Graham Colonial Motors in the 1920s. Graham's father, Charles, later took over.
Mike Matrunics, Ligonier Township's police chief, said no one in Graham's family knew he was going to torch the cars.
"We understand from the family at this point that they were struggling with the business because of the economic times," Matrunics said.
The dealership owed more than $420,000 in 2008 federal tax liens and more than $11,000 in county property-tax liens, according to court records.
Graham had sold Buick, Pontiac and Jeep vehicles, his father said.
"I'm sorry that it happened," he said. "It's going to take a long time to get over."
The dealership closed last week.
 
Re: (dubraycer36)

Quote, originally posted by dubraycer36 »
This is only the beginning ladies and gents.
FWIW, I hit the knees every night and pray that I'm proven wrong.

Of what? This isn't an illustration of "imploding auto sales" - it's an illustration of a con man. Shady Car lots (used to be a stand alone Buick store, don't ya know) have been going under the torch since, well, forever.
Don't read into this any more than there is - sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.
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Modified by 2VWatatime at 6:27 AM 3-9-2009
 
Re: Sad illustration of imploding auto sales: Pa. dealer dies whil ... (Art Vandelay)

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There's nothing sad about insurance fraud.


You can't be serious. No one with insurance fraud on their mind goes at four brand new cars with a jug of gas.
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Re: Sad illustration of imploding auto sales: Pa. dealer dies whil ... (justanotherusername)

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You can't be serious. No one with insurance fraud on their mind goes at four brand new cars with a jug of gas.
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So I guess he was doing it because those marshmallows weren't going to roast themselves?
 
Re: Sad illustration of imploding auto sales: Pa. dealer dies whil ... (Art Vandelay)

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So I guess he was doing it because those marshmallows weren't going to roast themselves?

No, he was doing it because he's LOST HIS MIND.
This was an act of frustration, not fraud. The guy was probably suicidal.
 
Re: Sad illustration of imploding auto sales: Pa. dealer dies whil ... (justanotherusername)

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No, he was doing it because he's LOST HIS MIND.
This was an act of frustration, not fraud. The guy was probably suicidal.

I don't know -- I think you're just trying to meet your "argue in at least 5 threads today" quota.
 
Re: Sad illustration of imploding auto sales: Pa. dealer dies whil ... (justanotherusername)

Quote, originally posted by justanotherusername »

No, he was doing it because he's LOST HIS MIND.
This was an act of frustration, not fraud. The guy was probably suicidal.

And the insurance check would have been an added benefit too.
 
Re: Sad illustration of imploding auto sales: Pa. dealer dies whil ... (jeff1234)

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And the insurance check would have been an added benefit too.

Do you people not live in the real world? No insurance company on earth is going to pay out a dime for vehicles torched on the lot when the owner is the ovbious suspect. Don't be ****ing stupid!
 
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Re: (2VWatatime)

Quote, originally posted by 2VWatatime »

Of what? This isn't an illustration of "imploding auto sales" - it's an illustration of a con man. Shady Car lots (used to be a stand alone Buick store, don't ya know) have been going under the torch since, well, forever.
Don't read into this any more than there is - sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.

Imploding car sales, as a symptom of the greater economic collapse, is pushing people to do things they would not otherwise have done. Most of us on here seem to have jobs still, but millions of others do not. Some are losing homes, others are losing hope. Makes you appreciate what you still have.
I am not some bleeding-heart type, but I think the media and the public-at-large often fail to see the real cost of what is happening to many out there.
 
Re: Sad illustration of imploding auto sales: Pa. dealer dies whil ... (Art Vandelay)

Quote, originally posted by Art Vandelay »

I don't know -- I think you're just trying to meet your "argue in at least 5 threads today" quota.


And you've already met your quota of "stupid posts" for the day.
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Re: Sad illustration of imploding auto sales: Pa. dealer dies whil ... (justanotherusername)

Quote, originally posted by justanotherusername »

And you've already met your quota of "stupid posts" for the day.
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Re: Sad illustration of imploding auto sales: Pa. dealer dies whil ... (justanotherusername)

Quote, originally posted by justanotherusername »

You can't be serious. No one with insurance fraud on their mind goes at four brand new cars with a jug of gas.
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Desperate people are not known for their rationality.
Sad story nonetheless.
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Re: Sad illustration of imploding auto sales: Pa. dealer dies whil ... (Art Vandelay)

Quote, originally posted by Art Vandelay »

lame attempt at wit

Don't blame me if you can't see the situation for what it is. No one goes at a row of cars with gas and thinks they're getting an insurance check. Try to think just a little before you post stupid **** like that.
 
Re: Sad illustration of imploding auto sales: Pa. dealer dies whil ... (VeeDubDriver)

Quote, originally posted by VeeDubDriver »
The dealership closed last week.

Does this rule out a fire sale?
 
Re: Sad illustration of imploding auto sales: Pa. dealer dies whil ... (justanotherusername)

Quote, originally posted by justanotherusername »

Don't blame me if you can't see the situation for what it is. No one goes at a row of cars with gas and thinks they're getting an insurance check.

This guy pretty obviously did, and you're just trying to romanticize the situation.
 
People routinely torch cars, homes, and businesses to escape payments and financial collapse. If the conflagration is not determined to be arson, the insurance company will pay out, to replace/rebuild the fire damaged vehicle/property/business. This is normally refered to as "insurance fraud". Although this story is sad, and speaks to the growing desperation out there, it is still (a failed attempt at) insurance fraud. Thank God, that none of the fire fighters were hurt or injured by the burning cars (with bellies full of fuel). This act of "desperation" could have easily been more tragic than the death of one arsonist.
 
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