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Re: New Bushings: Defcon 2 or Defcon 3? (searya)

Quote, originally posted by searya »
I am going to be upgrading my control arm bushings and am stuck on deciding between the Defcon 2 and Defcon 3 setups.


good question for the guys over at quattroworld. forums.quattroworld.com/tt
you'll get replies from the proprietors of the defcon mod. From what i hear defcon 3 is a great streetable balance. I'll be going that route at some point. http://****************.com/smile/emthup.gif
 
Re: New Bushings: Defcon 2 or Defcon 3? (mayfly)

I've put about every bush available in my front control arms
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IF your car is lowered over an inch - you will find that if you continue to use the MKII bush in the rear position - it's going to crack and wear out quickly. This pic is of my second set which lasted about 8k miles before starting to do this. The angle of the control arm is such that is increases the wear at this point.
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I'd suggest going full MKI - MKI oem with defcon in the front and MKI bush in the rear. If oriented correctly - it won't wear or crack as bad.
If you want performance - I'd suggest spherical bearings - like these.
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I review all my experiences with these in the next upcoming article for Project TT
 
Re: (l88m22vette)

Quote, originally posted by l88m22vette »
I really want the H2S bushings but the price is so ridiculous considering the parts are some small bits of machined metal: http://www.h2sport.com/products.php?productid=1211 - $355 CDN, or $328
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Sorry, for that price I'll buy rods

Except the fact that you can't install stock bushes yourself without a press and you can install the H2sports by yourself. After replacing three sets of rear bushes in 20k miles including install cost - it was worth it to me.
I'll do rods once I do the BT kit
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Re: (l88m22vette)

Quote, originally posted by l88m22vette »
^^ That's true...do you think you go through so many because you track your car, or is the fact that its lowered the main cause?

Lowering is the main cause - tracking just makes them fail quicker. My originals had failed after lowering and I noticed it when I did the defcon install and replaced them at that point. This was about 1.5 years after I lowered the car. My set I put in with the Defcons had failed after about a year and the next set in a similar period of time. I had started tracking the car after the defcon install.
The sphericals are NOT for everyone - the install is a bit tricky - took me three times to get it right, but they've been great.
 
Re: (joe@vwvortex)

Quote, originally posted by joe@vwvortex »

Except the fact that you can't install stock bushes yourself without a press and you can install the H2sports by yourself. After replacing three sets of rear bushes in 20k miles including install cost - it was worth it to me.
I'll do rods once I do the BT kit
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rods ? what are they ?
 
Re: (l88m22vette)

Quote, originally posted by l88m22vette »
Do the spherical really change the ride or were you just talking about how some people might hate the install?

Ride quality improves - arms move more freely. No additional NHV at all. I was talking more about the install. They are bonded in with industrial locktite adhesive. If the conditions are not just right and the surfaces are not super clean - the adhesive will not bond correctly and they come loose.
When I first installed mine I followed the instructions and the bond failed within a few days because I didn't use enough adhesive and the little bit that I used setup before I set the bearings in the arm. I didn't realize that it had set up - just that it got firm and it was difficult pushing the bearings into the arm.
The second time I installed them I used much more adhesive but it was over 100 degrees in my garage so that when I set them in the arms - the bond was uneven because the adhesive had set up too quickly.
The third time I did the install inside where it was air conditioned. I put the bearings in the freezer for about 20 minutes and the arms on ice. Maybe a bit overkill (but H2sport instructed me to do this) and it allowed me to use enough adhesive and slide the bearings in the arms while it was still "wet" which also allowed for a much more even distribution of the adhesive. I then let them cure for 24 hours and i've not had any problems since.


Modified by joe@vwvortex at 3:03 PM 10-29-2009
 
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