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Are supercars pointless?

  • Yes, pointless so stop building them

    Votes: 2 1.1%
  • Yes, pointless and I pray they are always built

    Votes: 118 66%
  • No, not at all

    Votes: 34 19%
  • Unsure

    Votes: 0 0%
  • Other cars are more pointless, X6, ZDX, etc

    Votes: 24 13%
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/motoring...ring/columnists/jamesmay/8036489/Supercars-Fancy-yes.-Changed-the-world-No.html

I can't imagine that anyone out there would deny that the development of the Maxim gun had a profound effect on the history of warfare and, therefore, on the way the world is today. It follows, then, that had it emerged 80 years earlier than it did, and in France, the final score at Waterloo would have been rather different and the course of European development would now place us all somewhere else. I'm not saying it would necessarily be better or worse, just that it would be utterly changed.

This is a fairly well-known historian's parlour game and fairly pointless in itself, but it's a good way of grading the relevance of things and happenings. How different would the world be had the technique for mass-producing consistent iron using coke instead of charcoal been a Swedish achievement (they had all the good iron ore, after all) rather than an English one? It's impossible to know exactly, but we can be sure the answer is "quite a lot".

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Had J S Bach, Picasso and Einstein all died in bicycle accidents as children, the nature of human thought would have taken a different course; more so than if, for example, the Beatles had been Japanese. The English Civil War has had more profound repercussions than the invention of the toasted teacake, but both played a role in making our lives what they are today.

Everything – it's a theme science fiction writers love – has an influence on what is to come, even, probably, the debate over the length of Richard Hammond's hair. It is merely a matter of magnitude.

This brings me to my forthcoming magnum opus, which I intend to present to the Royal Society: First meditations on the insignificance of supercars by Dr May, who may be found at the sign of ye Croff Keyf, Londinium.

We have established before in this column that the supercar is pretty useless in the role of a car. No one on the web page seems to have disagreed, not like they did with the contention that the Me 109 would have been a better defensive fighter in the Battle of Britain.

But the problem is bigger than we might think. Most supercar road tests allude to the glorious irrelevance of such things and hint heavily at the requirement to abandon rational thought when selecting something like a Veyron. But no one has yet had the Cromwellian courage to pronounce the supercar utterly pointless regardless of the means of analysis.

Italy, to my mind, is still the home of the true supercar, because it makes Ferraris and Lambos. But what benefit has accrued to Italy, principal arbour of the mechanism of the Renaissance, by their existence? None that I can discern, beyond a small entry in the economic administration of the regions that produce them. I reckon France was shaped more by the croissant than Italy was by the F40.

Hence my study. Nothing I can think of produces a greater disparity when usefulness is compared with imagined import. Not even nylon bed linen. How can I be sure? By reviewing real history and recurring scenarios, and then attempting to imagine how they could be manipulated by the presence of a supercar or its owner. You can help me with this.

Is there any sort of "My kingdom for a supercar" moment? I don't think so. Supercars would not have prevented the plague, accelerated the industrial revolution, instigated women's suffrage, advanced the space race, or produced one extra piano sonata from Beethoven. The Gallardo could not have altered the course of medical development and the Ferrari 458 would have had no bearing whatsoever on early 20th-century conceptual physics.

Let's be a little more down to earth about it. In the production of great drama, did any playwright or film director ever charge a distraught woman with the role of running into a room and crying: "Does anyone here own a supercar?" They usually want a doctor. Was progress in science and the humanities ever arrested by the absence of one? I don't think so. Would the Titanic still have sunk if the world had known about Koenigsegg? Yes it would.

This is what fascinates me. If we take any other artefact – the breech-loading rifle, penicillin, radio, Gore-Tex or even the adjustable spanner – we can insert it into an earlier age or remove it from a later one and change the world. The same goes for historic achievements and ground-breaking philosophy. If we move the work of Nicolaus Copernicus around the centuries, we can distort the sphere of the human condition. We can probably do the same by tampering with the discovery of bicarbonate of soda.

But we can't do it with the Lotus Esprit.
 
Couldn't disagree more. Supercars fall into the same category as other outrageously and unabashedly hedonistic/materialistic goods that serve as motivational tools to people 'round the world. If I had to hang posters of of my mom's beige Volvo 740 wagon and my dad's sky blue Toyota Tercel in my room as a kid....*shudder*

In other words, if there was no LF-A, the terrorists win. :D

/tongueincheek
 
If Che Guevara had a Lamborghini Gallardo instead of an old tired motorcycle I can guarantee you that history would have been different.

When you're on an old tired motorcycle, you stop a lot. You go slow. You look at the world. You take certain routes that favor old tired motorcycles.

If Guevara had a Gallardo he would have stuck to paved roads close to civilization, fallen in love with himself, become a doctor and he never would have done anything revolutionary.

Is this good or bad? It's not for me to judge, I'm just a historian-in-training, but it would have been different.

Sure it isn't universally true, if Charlemagne had a Pagani it would have been no better than a couch as he would have had no fuel and nowhere to go(bad roads, and let us pretend supercars are reliable so parts are not an issue). But put it in the right era, an era truly before the supercar and in the right hands, and you have something that could change the course of history in slight and interesting-to-quantify ways.

Imagine if Gandhi had a Porsche 911 GT2 RS. He could have transported salt from the sea SO FAST.
 
Auto racing has a trickle down effect on every car, truck, and minivan that is on the road today. A supercar is usually race car tech mildly diluted to be streetable. Supercars bridge the gap between what competitive teams and designers are doing to win races now and what we will see on Toyota mega-lots in 10 to 15 years. Look at EFI, disc brakes, and turbocharging. If not for supercars I don't think we'd be where we are now in terms of wind resistance, fuel efficiency, or safety.
 
I voted pointless, and I pray they keep building them.
Completely and totally. Which is the same way I think James would vote, given that he is an F430 owner.

It's hard to be a writer like that. You have to come up with new things to write about and yet still worry about the fans of the subject turning on you. It is a well written article with great language and wonderful imagery. Let's not take it for more than it is :cool:
 
Supercars are engineering exercises financed by the wealthy. The technology pioneered and tested on supercars trickles down to the cars the rest of us can actually afford. If it wasn't beta tested on supercars first, I would argue it would end up being a lot more expensive to the middle-class end user that buys the bread-and-butter cars.
 
What is a supercar? When was it born? Was it the Miura? Something earlier, 300SL? Alfa P3, surely a supercar of its time? We'd need to erase almost 100 years of motor racing including the guy in a shed thinking what would happen if I put that really big engine into that little car.

If cars were just basic appliances like the fridge, they'd last for 20 years and eventually be replaced with one looking exactly the same. What would the post war decades been then.. no fins, chrome, model change every year. No one-upping the neighbors leading to the consumerist society we live in now. Would we then be in this mess we are now in terms of environment? If we weren't, how would that change the world we live in:laugh:

Maybe removing the supercar would have the most profound impact in the history of the 1900s to present..
 
yes supercars are pointless to me as I will never own one, even if I had the money believe it or not.
but they help in the development of lesser cars.

i'll take v-tec as an example. v-tec was designed to be implemented in the NSX, a supercar, and then gradually moved down the line and into Preludes, Accords and Civics

same thing with DSG. if i'm not mistaken, the first form of "DSG" was Porsche's PDK system, initially implemented in the Porsche 959, an unattainable 80's supercar. today, it's available in most VW models.
 
What is a supercar? When was it born? Was it the Miura? Something earlier, 300SL? Alfa P3, surely a supercar of its time? We'd need to erase almost 100 years of motor racing including the guy in a shed thinking what would happen if I put that really big engine into that little car.

If cars were just basic appliances like the fridge, they'd last for 20 years and eventually be replaced with one looking exactly the same. What would the post war decades been then.. no fins, chrome, model change every year. No one-upping the neighbors leading to the consumerist society we live in now. Would we then be in this mess we are now in terms of environment? If we weren't, how would that change the world we live in:laugh:

Maybe removing the supercar would have the most profound impact in the history of the 1900s to present..
You know what, I think you're right... putting it that way, the supercar contributed to the end of the Cold War! (seriously, not making fun of you!)
 
i'll take v-tec as an example. v-tec was designed to be implemented in the NSX, a supercar, and then gradually moved down the line and into Preludes, Accords and Civics

same thing with DSG. if i'm not mistaken, the first form of "DSG" was Porsche's PDK system, initially implemented in the Porsche 959, an unattainable 80's supercar. today, it's available in most VW models.
The first production VTEC engine was the B16A in the DA6 Integra RSi, EF8 CR-X SiR, and EF9 Civic SiR. The NSX C30A came a year later.

The 959 had a traditional manual transmission. The PDK was originally used in the 956 and 962 sports-racing prototypes then the technology went directly to a normal production car (the euro-spec MkIV Golf R32).
 
silly, stupid, unrealistic, YES pointless no, there point is to put a smile on the face of the owner.
 
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