Whats the max pressure and safely I can push a k04? I have k04 and giac software with boost controller, intercooler, 2.5 turbo back exh. and intake.
k04 potential
1.8t caracterized
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Whats the max pressure and safely I can push a k04? I have k04 and giac software with boost controller, intercooler, 2.5 turbo back exh. and intake.
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Re: k04 potential (FlyinTurbo)
ouch!
ouch!
Re: k04 potential (1.8t caracterized)
it depends on which k04, here's the compressor map for a k04-020 (that's from a 225 TT)
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This is the Turbo Efficency calculated for a K04 in a TT 1.8T.
RPM Turbo Effizienz
1000 0,015
1500 0,0225
2000 0,03
2500 0,0375
3000 0,045
3500 0,0525
4000 0,06
4500 0,0675
5000 0,075
5500 0,0825
6000 0,09
6500 0,0975
7000 0,105
Max boost is about 28 psi, pushing about 220 g/s, and max flow is about 330 g/s at 14.7. So, people thinking the all K04s are only efficient at 1 bar is wrong.
[Modified by gary_phd, 3:55 PM 3-14-2003]
it depends on which k04, here's the compressor map for a k04-020 (that's from a 225 TT)
This is the Turbo Efficency calculated for a K04 in a TT 1.8T.
RPM Turbo Effizienz
1000 0,015
1500 0,0225
2000 0,03
2500 0,0375
3000 0,045
3500 0,0525
4000 0,06
4500 0,0675
5000 0,075
5500 0,0825
6000 0,09
6500 0,0975
7000 0,105
Max boost is about 28 psi, pushing about 220 g/s, and max flow is about 330 g/s at 14.7. So, people thinking the all K04s are only efficient at 1 bar is wrong.
[Modified by gary_phd, 3:55 PM 3-14-2003]
Re: k04 potential (1.8t caracterized)
btw, I'm pushing 27.5 psi max, no problems...but then I'm pretty modified:
Dahlback Racing/MTM custom chip
Forge 007P / DV-R
Samco Turbo and Intake Hoses
Custom Intake
Modfied MAF housing
Forge FMIC
Wilson Manifold - P&P manifold and tb
"H" N75
Custom 3" DP
3" HJS Motorsport racing cat or Test pipe
Casper Electronic's O2 Sim
UUC Velocimax
Werks of Art Stage 3 clutch
Custom oil cooler
180 thermostat
ECS lightweight udp
4 bar fpr
[Modified by gary_phd, 5:56 AM 3-14-2003]
btw, I'm pushing 27.5 psi max, no problems...but then I'm pretty modified:
Dahlback Racing/MTM custom chip
Forge 007P / DV-R
Samco Turbo and Intake Hoses
Custom Intake
Modfied MAF housing
Forge FMIC
Wilson Manifold - P&P manifold and tb
"H" N75
Custom 3" DP
3" HJS Motorsport racing cat or Test pipe
Casper Electronic's O2 Sim
UUC Velocimax
Werks of Art Stage 3 clutch
Custom oil cooler
180 thermostat
ECS lightweight udp
4 bar fpr
[Modified by gary_phd, 5:56 AM 3-14-2003]
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Re: k04 potential (gary_phd)
just curious. what are you doing in the quarter with that 27.5 psi and what kind of horsepower do you have... also what kind of car..........thanks j-child
just curious. what are you doing in the quarter with that 27.5 psi and what kind of horsepower do you have... also what kind of car..........thanks j-child
Re: k04 potential (jetta-child)
Haven't really ran my car in the 1/4 yet, will once I've got my clutch all set up. I had been plagued with some problems...dv not being able to handle my boost, then a crack in my fmic, and my oem clutch went out...now having my stg 3 clutch put in. Hopefully, it'll hold!
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I have 225 TT (well, was a 225) lol - about the hp, I'm pushing the K04's numbers - and bet I'm pushing pretty good numbers. Unfortunately no AWD dynos in my area.
[Modified by gary_phd, 6:17 AM 3-14-2003]
Haven't really ran my car in the 1/4 yet, will once I've got my clutch all set up. I had been plagued with some problems...dv not being able to handle my boost, then a crack in my fmic, and my oem clutch went out...now having my stg 3 clutch put in. Hopefully, it'll hold!
I have 225 TT (well, was a 225) lol - about the hp, I'm pushing the K04's numbers - and bet I'm pushing pretty good numbers. Unfortunately no AWD dynos in my area.
[Modified by gary_phd, 6:17 AM 3-14-2003]
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Re: k04 potential (gary_phd)
thanks for the info gary. just wanted to see what i had to look forward to...........
thanks for the info gary. just wanted to see what i had to look forward to...........
Re: k04 potential (gary_phd)
I get a ride in that monster when you're done
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quote:[HR][/HR]I have 225 TT (well, was a 225) lol - about the hp, I'm pushing the K04's numbers - and bet I'm pushing pretty good numbers. Unfortunately no AWD dynos in my area.[HR][/HR]
...yet!I get a ride in that monster when you're done
Re: k04 potential (gary_phd)
K04-01 for the transverse, K04-15 for the long. motors...
As for the original question I've been running 21-25psi peak for the last year with no problems http://****************.com/smile/emthup.gif
[Modified by Phishy, 9:33 AM 3-14-2003]
K04-01 for the transverse, K04-15 for the long. motors...
As for the original question I've been running 21-25psi peak for the last year with no problems http://****************.com/smile/emthup.gif
[Modified by Phishy, 9:33 AM 3-14-2003]
Re: k04 potential (Shaun@SG)
k04-020 were used on 225 TTs from 2/1/99, then changed to k04-022 from 12/1/99, and after 9/1/00 changed to k04-023. All are rated the same, however, I'm not sure if anything internally had changed. I think this may have been just a serial number change (or they may have fortified the turbo more somehow). Btw, I've also got a k04-023.
Interesting to note is that the RS4 turbo (k04-025 and 026) are rated at 380hp, wondering if this will bolt onto our manifolds?
The k04-015 were used as an A4 upgrade starting in 7/96, and is rated at 210hp.
According to Borg Warner, the k04-001 was originally used for a Ford F190 from 1991 (a desiel engine). The turbo is only rated as 100 hp.
[Modified by gary_phd, 3:53 PM 3-14-2003]
k04-020 were used on 225 TTs from 2/1/99, then changed to k04-022 from 12/1/99, and after 9/1/00 changed to k04-023. All are rated the same, however, I'm not sure if anything internally had changed. I think this may have been just a serial number change (or they may have fortified the turbo more somehow). Btw, I've also got a k04-023.
Interesting to note is that the RS4 turbo (k04-025 and 026) are rated at 380hp, wondering if this will bolt onto our manifolds?
The k04-015 were used as an A4 upgrade starting in 7/96, and is rated at 210hp.
According to Borg Warner, the k04-001 was originally used for a Ford F190 from 1991 (a desiel engine). The turbo is only rated as 100 hp.
[Modified by gary_phd, 3:53 PM 3-14-2003]
Re: k04 potential (gary_phd)
The K04-025 and -026 won't bolt up to any VWs. Also, remember that they are rated at 380hp, but that's for two of them. The S4 turbos are tiny, and the RS4 turbos aren't that much bigger...you might even see better results from the -001 anyway.
The K04 as a class is rated for 200g/s flow (with the K03 rated for 170g/s). This is from the 3K Warner website.
I think the safe limit for the K04-001 is probably not much more than just the GIAC CLK02 or CLGL12 files (i.e. no manual boost increases on top of the software). Some people have used "race" N75 valves on top of K04 files with good results (chris86vw) but some people have done that and are now replacing the turbo (FlyinTurbo). Note that both were running 2.5" exhausts.
I'm seeing spikes to 25psi on those rare occasions that my clutch holds for a second. I'm running the CLK02 software now with the boostvalve open (so it's not adding anything). Once I get my new clutch in (waiting for Sonny Lowe's new lift to arrive) I will do some extensive testing of software and various wastegate control setups.
The K04-025 and -026 won't bolt up to any VWs. Also, remember that they are rated at 380hp, but that's for two of them. The S4 turbos are tiny, and the RS4 turbos aren't that much bigger...you might even see better results from the -001 anyway.
The K04 as a class is rated for 200g/s flow (with the K03 rated for 170g/s). This is from the 3K Warner website.
I think the safe limit for the K04-001 is probably not much more than just the GIAC CLK02 or CLGL12 files (i.e. no manual boost increases on top of the software). Some people have used "race" N75 valves on top of K04 files with good results (chris86vw) but some people have done that and are now replacing the turbo (FlyinTurbo). Note that both were running 2.5" exhausts.
I'm seeing spikes to 25psi on those rare occasions that my clutch holds for a second. I'm running the CLK02 software now with the boostvalve open (so it's not adding anything). Once I get my new clutch in (waiting for Sonny Lowe's new lift to arrive) I will do some extensive testing of software and various wastegate control setups.
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