VW Vortex - Volkswagen Forum banner
81 - 100 of 118 Posts
Swapped but not done...

Hello all,

This my first post here, but anyways,

I am working on a swap from Auto to Manual for two reasons, the Auto was broke, and two, I hate Auto's anyway, they steal your HP and gas, which at this time is very expensive. Plus I prefer to be in control. Plus, the engine in the '87 has some issues and I wound up with the '88 for 300 bucks!!! That's with a new paint job. :D

However, I am still having some issues...

One, the clutch cable seems to have problems no matter how I adjust it.
Two... no wait, at this moment I don't remember anymore :rolleyes:

Anyhow, so far it is going well.

Also, the post and PDF from Molijor (sp? sorry dude) are great! Just by reading that, you have solved a couple of issues :)

Will be posting pics or some custom stuff I did to it too.

Thanx,
Erik
 
Quote, originally posted by hartford dubber »
so all i have to do is splice the two red/black wires together?
and the tranny is an 020

Oran is probably off getting that last present that he forgot so I'll take this one.
The Neutral safety switch is just a switch that closes when the Auto Tranny is in Neutral or park to allow starting the engine (Oran - are there any other functions for this in VW's that I don't know about?) So since you want to be able to start the manual tranny car with the gear shift in any position all you do is connect the two wires that went to the switch together (effectively closing the switch).
The 020 trannies used in these cars had two different back up switches a nice easy two connector type for which you just connect your back up light wires right up and a multi-pin switch which had other connections to indicate what gear the car was in. Go to the Website that Oran posted and Broke explains it all.
Steve


Modified by sehaare at 4:42 PM 12-24-2009


post pics of these two wires please? the neutral safety switch ones ^^^
 
reverse wiring

just wanted to note that on my 92, there was already a connector in the engine harness for the reverse switch. it was just tied back into the harness under the brake booster. kinda found it by mistake. not sure if all years are like that.
 
just wanted to note that on my 92, there was already a connector in the engine harness for the reverse switch. it was just tied back into the harness under the brake booster. kinda found it by mistake. not sure if all years are like that.
Hmm...Now you have me thinking. There's always been a mystery plug dangling by the master cylinder on my '82.
 
Hmm...Now you have me thinking. There's always been a mystery plug dangling by the master cylinder on my '82.
mine looked like this (not my pic), and the wire colors match the wires that go to the auto switch by the shifter.
Image
 
help with my jetta gls 2002

OK so im really new to this. I work on a shop where we do basically everything. And we bought a this jetta back in November which turns out to be mine now anyways. our plan was to convert it to a manual and so far we are almost there. I dont know much about what its being done but ill post what i know.
The body of the car was for a automatic engine. we got a hold of a manual jetta (same year) this car was rear ended badly so it was not used anymore. so what we did was took the engine 1.8t and everything else for it including the harness. And put it into this jetta that im talking about.

So far the harness and engine are on it but there is two problems that why im here.
1.When the battery is connected power is still running trough the car meaning i can turn on the sound system with out the key even being in the ignition. How do i fix this?
2.the harness is for a automatic so i guess there needs to be i sensor of some type by the clutch so the car can start. and this harness has it but for the automatic.. So the wiring is there. How can a deal with this? Can i bypass it some how?
Again i have very low experience with cars so sorry i cant by specific :p
 
OK so im really new to this. I work on a shop where we do basically everything. And we bought a this jetta back in November which turns out to be mine now anyways. our plan was to convert it to a manual and so far we are almost there. I dont know much about what its being done but ill post what i know.
The body of the car was for a automatic engine. we got a hold of a manual jetta (same year) this car was rear ended badly so it was not used anymore. so what we did was took the engine 1.8t and everything else for it including the harness. And put it into this jetta that im talking about.

So far the harness and engine are on it but there is two problems that why im here.
1.When the battery is connected power is still running trough the car meaning i can turn on the sound system with out the key even being in the ignition. How do i fix this?
2.the harness is for a automatic so i guess there needs to be i sensor of some type by the clutch so the car can start. and this harness has it but for the automatic.. So the wiring is there. How can a deal with this? Can i bypass it some how?
Again i have very low experience with cars so sorry i cant by specific :p
You are well out of the range of anything done in this thread, my friend. This thread covers the basic, older cars without the computer controlled and integrated transmissions. I know it can be done, but I don't know what it involves. You should try the MK4 forum.
 
Auto to manual conversion differences.

I'm wondering.

What's the difference between a auto cabby that is converted to manual, and a stock manual one?


The reason I ask this is because I bought a cabby, and I strongly suspect it used to be an Auto and was converted at some point.


Is there anyway to know for sure?
 
I'm wondering.

What's the difference between a auto cabby that is converted to manual, and a stock manual one?


The reason I ask this is because I bought a cabby, and I strongly suspect it used to be an Auto and was converted at some point.


Is there anyway to know for sure?
If you can find the original build info that will tell you, but I don't know that VW has retained that info.

VWdude123: As for the cost, it all depends on where you find your parts, etc. I paid $300 for my transmission because it had been gone through and freshened up along with having a bolt kit installed. Going with new parts, like clutch, clutch cable, shifter rebuild kit, whether you use a short shift kit, etc can all add to the cost. Slapping a bunch of used parts in you can probably do the whole swap for under $500, or maybe even cheaper with a donor car.
 
If you can find the original build info that will tell you, but I don't know that VW has retained that info.

VWdude123: As for the cost, it all depends on where you find your parts, etc. I paid $300 for my transmission because it had been gone through and freshened up along with having a bolt kit installed. Going with new parts, like clutch, clutch cable, shifter rebuild kit, whether you use a short shift kit, etc can all add to the cost. Slapping a bunch of used parts in you can probably do the whole swap for under $500, or maybe even cheaper with a donor car.

Find the Build sticker usually on the rear frame tie in the trunk, although I have seen them in the wheel well.
If the m codes have a 249 then it was an automatic.

Now with that said, if the conversion was done correctly, there isn't a really good way of seeing it. But there are subtle differences, as in
91-93 Autos have a pair of extra relays that are on the knee bar drivers side, that are across from the fuse box.



And the Venturi pump on the Fuel injection on a 93 is there too.
Gray pipe off the Brake line check valve.




Take a picture of your engine and post it... If it was a good swap, we won't see the venture pump.

There are also wires that may be under the center console, as well as a cable splice for the reverse lights.
As the automatic lights are under the console.
 
Find the Build sticker usually on the rear frame tie in the trunk, although I have seen them in the wheel well.
If the m codes have a 249 then it was an automatic.
The build sticker also lists the exact transmission installed at the factory:

Image


^Those two had AUG's installed, which means 5-speed manuals.

If the lower half of the sticker is missing or illegible, post up the Type code (in the above left sticker it's 155 564); I can look your car's original trans info up.
 
Bringing this back from the depths, I picked up an '85 that I'm 99% sure was an auto(haven't checked the sticker) but based on wiring and the fact the reverse lights don't have wires connecting to anything.

My question is, has anyone gone the reverse direction, swapping to an auto? I was recently in a car accident and driving a 3 pedal car is causing pain to my knee. Especially in stop go traffic. So I figured I would ask how daunting the task is to complete. My '88 is an auto and is a blast to drive, but it's too clean to let the Ohio winters assault it.

Looks like I need:
Trans
Trans mount
Auto shifter cable
Auto shifter mount
Auto shifter selector
Torque converter
Starter
Starter heat shield
Neutral safety switch(possibly not)
Pedal cluster


Also to piggyback how do you identify manual(non power) steering racks. I've depowered both cars, but don't know what racks I need to avoid the u joint issue. The turn ratio is a little off being depowered at low speeds and I just want to correct that! NAPA still sells complete units I just don't have a clue which I need 1988 with an 010 and 1985 currently with an 020
 
81 - 100 of 118 Posts