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Yeah i will defiantly get this over an audi, bmw, mercedes or porsche
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seriously, who buys this garbage, a luxury sedean from kia or hyundai etc.... are you serious?
Oh man, yeah, imagine if Nissan, purveyors of entry-level cars like the Sentra, were to make a fake supercar that could go 190mph? Who would buy that kind of "garbage" when you could buy a German car instead!?


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The chopped windshield looks wrong proportionally for the size of the K9 and everything on, in or part of the front fenders needs to stay in Korea. Were I KIA, I would style the cars front end (grill and lights) to be recognizable as a family member of the current design theme. I think KIA did a fine job with its front end on the current Optima's. As for its 'off shore' name, the name needs to go back to the drawing board for the car to have a fighting chance in a North American near luxury market.
 
Yeah i will defiantly get this over an audi, bmw, mercedes or porsche
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seriously, who buys this garbage, a luxury sedean from kia or hyundai etc.... are you serious? ]
The Genesis has won a ton of customers from Mercedes, BMW, et al. Believe it or not, not everybody sees enough merit in ze Germans anymore to hemorrhage an additional few tens of thousands of dollars on a badge. The new 5-series is a soporific, isolated driver anyway, so what about it commands an additional $20k on it? Dash plastics? For most luxury car buyers, the difference is superficial and fairly academic.

The same reactionary non-logic was applied to Lexus when it debuted, to Audi before it stopped sucking, and even to BMW when it was still just an upstart wannabe Mercedes Benz.
 
I meant corporate cousins fighting it out; not just that they are both Korean.

Think Audi A8 vs VW Phaeton.
The A8 and Phaeton weren't the same

engine, drivetrain thats all that was shared. other than that they were two COMPLETELY different cars. i mean COMPLETELY different. oh they were both german luxury large sedans,
i sold them both new in 2003/2004 and drove them back to back multiple times.


and this new Kia i see 5 and 7 series, lexus, jaguar, and Buick in its design. and failed attempt at LED headlights
 
The A8 and Phaeton weren't the same

engine, drivetrain thats all that was shared. other than that they were two COMPLETELY different cars. i mean COMPLETELY different. oh they were both german luxury large sedans, s
They were different. Not completely different, not at all. The A8 was mildly more athletic, the Phaeton was mildly cushier. Otherwise, same drivetrains, same size, same space, similar looks, similar price...different, yes, but same ballgame. And that was the point: that they were two cars competing in the same market segment, with plenty of common mechanical bits, produced by the same manufacturer.

and this new Kia i see 5 and 7 series, lexus, jaguar, and Buick in its design. and failed attempt at LED headlights
And I look at the new 5-series and I see a Lexus with twin kidneys, and I look at the new A8 and I just see a weirdly enlarged A4. Let's not pretend that big-ass luxury sedans are where manufacturers are really stretching themselves on revolutionary design.
 
The A8 and Phaeton weren't the same

engine, drivetrain thats all that was shared. other than that they were two COMPLETELY different cars. i mean COMPLETELY different. oh they were both german luxury large sedans,
You couldn't have missed his point more if you tried. That being, they are two products under the same corporate umbrella competing in the same market (large luxury sedans) essentially against each other.

...and failed attempt at LED headlights
How is it a failed attempt? They're there, aren't they?
 
Since Kia is the more "dynamic", "euro" flavored brand of the two, I'd love to see Kia spin off a 3-series-sized sedan on this architecture. Judging by the Genesis Coupe it could be done. I had heard a while ago that something like that was in the works, but those rumors may have been pointing to this car.

I don't hate this, but it's not in my wheelhouse. It does the same thing the Genesis sedan did, which isn't a bad thing in my eyes.
 
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