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Neuspeed Supercharger
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Re: Neuspeed Supercharger (Ron82)
Search in the forced induction forum millions of pages of info on this topic.
the NS charger will do fine if you want reliability and modest (i.e. 140whp) gains. A turbo is going to take some engineering on your part (unless you pay a shop) to get it done, but there is the potential for lots more power..
Search in the forced induction forum millions of pages of info on this topic.
the NS charger will do fine if you want reliability and modest (i.e. 140whp) gains. A turbo is going to take some engineering on your part (unless you pay a shop) to get it done, but there is the potential for lots more power..
most HP you gonna get is about 140whp like StevenT said...Id stick to a turbo if you wanted unless you want sumtin simple bolt on and that will last...the ATP tubro kit seems the be the best out there as of now...but there chip isnt worth much from what all ive read
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Re: Neuspeed Supercharger (StevenT)
The price for a SC is $2,699.95
The price of a Garrett T3/60-1 W/ .48 A/R Turbine blah blah is $649,
The pluming is about $300 from jc whitney. Does the SC come with a chip too?
and say another 300 for a chip (I don't know how much)
I hear that SC makes 30hp.... That turbo makes around 350hp.
The price for a SC is $2,699.95
The price of a Garrett T3/60-1 W/ .48 A/R Turbine blah blah is $649,
The pluming is about $300 from jc whitney. Does the SC come with a chip too?
and say another 300 for a chip (I don't know how much)
I hear that SC makes 30hp.... That turbo makes around 350hp.
Re: Neuspeed Supercharger (DieselDemon)
Now... I haven't been around turbos very long... but I've never ever seen a turbo that could take a 115hp engine up to 350hp.
The most I've seen added is about 75hp. I don't care what anyone's product specs say... it just doesn't make good sense.
Now... I haven't been around turbos very long... but I've never ever seen a turbo that could take a 115hp engine up to 350hp.
The most I've seen added is about 75hp. I don't care what anyone's product specs say... it just doesn't make good sense.
Re: Neuspeed Supercharger (jmullman)
Hit up Us2Ba4dr with an IM and ask him what he's putting down....it's more than 350HP at the wheels....
| Quote, originally posted by jmullman » |
| Now... I haven't been around turbos very long... but I've never ever seen a turbo that could take a 115hp engine up to 350hp. The most I've seen added is about 75hp. I don't care what anyone's product specs say... it just doesn't make good sense. |
Hit up Us2Ba4dr with an IM and ask him what he's putting down....it's more than 350HP at the wheels....
Re: Neuspeed Supercharger (VW97Jetta)
One word: how?
It's not just a turbo is it? It's going to have a stand alone fuel system, underdrive pullies, all kinds of stuff asside from a t3 or something. Almost certainly have a different clutch/flywheel in it. I've read some of his posts, and notice that he goes through heads pretty hard.
That's the point I'm getting at. You can spend twice what the car is worth and have a damn fine race car. I've got no idea what the original poster is wanting to do with his car, but there are limits that I try to keep folks aware of.
If you just want a daily driving car with a little more pep, don't want to break the bank... do the usual... p&p, cam, ex, chip, oh... and change out all the motor mounts to some polys or something. You do loose a lot of torque from engine movement. If you do decide to go FI... change your head gasket out for one that was meant to handle the compression change.
One word: how?
It's not just a turbo is it? It's going to have a stand alone fuel system, underdrive pullies, all kinds of stuff asside from a t3 or something. Almost certainly have a different clutch/flywheel in it. I've read some of his posts, and notice that he goes through heads pretty hard.
That's the point I'm getting at. You can spend twice what the car is worth and have a damn fine race car. I've got no idea what the original poster is wanting to do with his car, but there are limits that I try to keep folks aware of.
If you just want a daily driving car with a little more pep, don't want to break the bank... do the usual... p&p, cam, ex, chip, oh... and change out all the motor mounts to some polys or something. You do loose a lot of torque from engine movement. If you do decide to go FI... change your head gasket out for one that was meant to handle the compression change.
Re: Neuspeed Supercharger (jmullman)
I don't have his specs (maybe he'll pop up in here and enlighten us), but when you're trying to build the quickest MKIII 2.0L around, you'll spend a few bucks
I agree.....and I was just pointing out that it is possible to get more than 350HP out of a 2.0L, since you said it couldn't be done. As a matter of fact, Momentum Tuning built a 1.8T to 500WHP. Granted, the owner blew it up, and then they replaced it with a 2.0T Eurospecsport engine that now makes a reliable 417WHP. And yes, there is a crapload of work that went into it.
Agreed again.....sure, it's fun to build up a monster, but let's face it, most of us don't really have the amount of disposable income to really do it. Sure, if you have a job and live at home, it's not that bad, but for those with a pile of expenses....it's challenging. My next car will kick ass out of the box (a non-VW, BTW), and will only have to do a little bit to improve upon it.
| Quote, originally posted by jmullman » |
| One word: how? It's not just a turbo is it? It's going to have a stand alone fuel system, underdrive pullies, all kinds of stuff asside from a t3 or something. Almost certainly have a different clutch/flywheel in it. I've read some of his posts, and notice that he goes through heads pretty hard. |
I don't have his specs (maybe he'll pop up in here and enlighten us), but when you're trying to build the quickest MKIII 2.0L around, you'll spend a few bucks
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| That's the point I'm getting at. You can spend twice what the car is worth and have a damn fine race car. I've got no idea what the original poster is wanting to do with his car, but there are limits that I try to keep folks aware of. |
I agree.....and I was just pointing out that it is possible to get more than 350HP out of a 2.0L, since you said it couldn't be done. As a matter of fact, Momentum Tuning built a 1.8T to 500WHP. Granted, the owner blew it up, and then they replaced it with a 2.0T Eurospecsport engine that now makes a reliable 417WHP. And yes, there is a crapload of work that went into it.
| Quote » |
| If you just want a daily driving car with a little more pep, don't want to break the bank... do the usual... p&p, cam, ex, chip, oh... and change out all the motor mounts to some polys or something. You do loose a lot of torque from engine movement. If you do decide to go FI... change your head gasket out for one that was meant to handle the compression change. |
Agreed again.....sure, it's fun to build up a monster, but let's face it, most of us don't really have the amount of disposable income to really do it. Sure, if you have a job and live at home, it's not that bad, but for those with a pile of expenses....it's challenging. My next car will kick ass out of the box (a non-VW, BTW), and will only have to do a little bit to improve upon it.
Re: Neuspeed Supercharger (VW97Jetta)
I'm sorry. I must not have been clear about my disbelief. I wasn't really saying that it was impossible to get to 350hp with a 2.0. I was saying that with only a chip and a turbo I was highly skeptical that you could obtain the stated power gains. Which is why I said what I did about other things that would come into play there. No offense, just making myself clear and not looking like a complete dork.
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I'm sorry. I must not have been clear about my disbelief. I wasn't really saying that it was impossible to get to 350hp with a 2.0. I was saying that with only a chip and a turbo I was highly skeptical that you could obtain the stated power gains. Which is why I said what I did about other things that would come into play there. No offense, just making myself clear and not looking like a complete dork.
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Re: Neuspeed Supercharger (jmullman)
Yeah, you can get 350 out of a turbo, but I'm thinkin not a t3. You're going to need at least a t3/t4 hybrid, and that other guy has a custom fuel rail and piping, and standalone. That's all maybe 4 or 5 or so grand, plus a new clutch, which is maybe $500, and I'm not sure the stock differential can handle more than 200 whp, so you're looking at maybe another $700 for a new dif. Depends on if you really want a car that's not going to pass emmisions. For a project, yeah, sure.
Yeah, you can get 350 out of a turbo, but I'm thinkin not a t3. You're going to need at least a t3/t4 hybrid, and that other guy has a custom fuel rail and piping, and standalone. That's all maybe 4 or 5 or so grand, plus a new clutch, which is maybe $500, and I'm not sure the stock differential can handle more than 200 whp, so you're looking at maybe another $700 for a new dif. Depends on if you really want a car that's not going to pass emmisions. For a project, yeah, sure.
Re: Neuspeed Supercharger (obvious510)
heres a dyno slip on us2ba4dr's current setup, though it isnt tuned properly yet.
http://forums.vwvortex.com/zerothread?id=941586
http://forums.vwvortex.com/zerothread?id=940696
i know he has sds, a custom intake mani, air/water i think... dont know the turbo
heres a pic
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heres a dyno slip on us2ba4dr's current setup, though it isnt tuned properly yet.
http://forums.vwvortex.com/zerothread?id=941586
http://forums.vwvortex.com/zerothread?id=940696
i know he has sds, a custom intake mani, air/water i think... dont know the turbo
heres a pic
Re: Neuspeed Supercharger (Beama Man)
What do you guys think my gf could get out of her 2.0 with this setup
NS Super Charger and Smaller Pulley
Power Pulleys
264 Cam
Cam Gear
Brospeed headers
Custom Intake
and water injection
I am thinking around 200 at the crank, but thats just me
What do you guys think my gf could get out of her 2.0 with this setup
NS Super Charger and Smaller Pulley
Power Pulleys
264 Cam
Cam Gear
Brospeed headers
Custom Intake
and water injection
I am thinking around 200 at the crank, but thats just me
150whp....mabye more...but the ns s/c someone did gave them around 144whp on a MKIV 2.0 obdII but im not completely sure what else they had done I cant recall...but with what your gonna spend why not just do a ATP turbo kit? and even do stand alone on it? 2750$ for a stage 2 turbo kit from ATP 200HP and i belive thats at the crank not whp. Grant it that ATP chips arnt something to talk great or even good about thats why i suggest the stand alone...and you can even upgrade the turbo to a t3/t4 hybrid and push more.... my .02s
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Re: Neuspeed Supercharger (Beama Man)
ha!!! that set up might get 160 crank but thats it..Ive seen about 137-139whp out of the set ups with all the goodies in the FI forum
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ha!!! that set up might get 160 crank but thats it..Ive seen about 137-139whp out of the set ups with all the goodies in the FI forum
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Re: Neuspeed Supercharger (Beama Man)
You need more fuel to see any more power out of the charger. stock injectors with a 4 bar can only really fuel the stock setup. Anything else, especially with the addition of a cam will run too lean and not make any more power.
| Quote, originally posted by Beama Man » |
| What do you guys think my gf could get out of her 2.0 with this setup NS Super Charger and Smaller Pulley Power Pulleys 264 Cam Cam Gear Brospeed headers Custom Intake and water injection I am thinking around 200 at the crank, but thats just me |
You need more fuel to see any more power out of the charger. stock injectors with a 4 bar can only really fuel the stock setup. Anything else, especially with the addition of a cam will run too lean and not make any more power.
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Re: Neuspeed Supercharger (2.0L8VBoy)
To get any more power out of the S/C, you will need to get a water injuction kit. The blowers design doesnt allow for an air-to-air intercooler, so in order to get the intake charge lower in temps, you will need water infection. ALso, you can get the high altitude pulley for this kit for more boost...but again, because of the high intake temp, you would ping like a someb*tch!!
To get any more power out of the S/C, you will need to get a water injuction kit. The blowers design doesnt allow for an air-to-air intercooler, so in order to get the intake charge lower in temps, you will need water infection. ALso, you can get the high altitude pulley for this kit for more boost...but again, because of the high intake temp, you would ping like a someb*tch!!
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