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Good afternoon all.
I bought this car ~1 month ago. It's done 90000 miles. I also own the Bently service manual for the car. The transmission is 5 speed, auto tiptronic.
A licensed dealer did the 80000 mile service at 86000 miles. I didn't own the car then though.
Was running fine in Florida (warm). I just went on a road trip ~2000 miles. Enroute, I blew an ignition coil. It was in cylinder 4 and the misfiring was shaking the car up pretty bad. Found a local mechanic (it was a small town on the weekend) and we diagnozed the problem then moved the coil to cylinder 3, as it ran a lot better. I couldn't buy the part there, so I drove ~60 miles to get to my destination, where a VW dealer was located. The shaking of the car decreased noticably over 3000 revs - you could tell it was still misfiring, but it wasn't too bad.
Next morning, on my way to the dealer to get the part, this transmission problem 1st appeared (this is about 1 week ago from the date of this post). Now it could be related, or just coincidence. The weather got noticably cooler (Nth Georgia, Sth Tenn.) hereon in. I replaced the faulty coil and now the engine's running nicely again.
Transmission problem details:
Initially it wouldn't shift out of 1st, even when up to 5000 revs - however the tiptronic indicator said it was in 2nd or 3rd - no matter how I shifted it, it stayed in first. No alarms are posted on the dashboard, from the computer. After some time going around in circles, it eventually changed gears and then worked perfectly. Upon starting and stopping multiple times that day, it worked perfectly - however next morning same deal - stuck in first. So my assumption is that the problem is due to the transmission fluid being cold. This problem has continued every morning since.
I have just arrived back in Florida last night and it's still happenning - despite the warm weather. It's also becoming more frequent - i.e. if the car's parked more than a couple hours, it'll happen. Initially this wasn't the case - it was overnight only.
My standard method of getting the car working now: Drive on backstreets @ ~3000 revs max., all the while using the tiptronic to try and get it to move from 1st to 2nd. After ~5-10 minutes of this, it'll change and then run perfectly. No alarms have ever been displayed for this on the console.
I don't know when (if ever) the auto transmission fluid has been changed. According to the Bently service manual, it is checked at 80 000, but not replaced.
I found this website - note I'm not affiliated with them. It says replace the transmission fluid and filter every 30000 miles. They have a kit for $110 to do so. It isn't Official VW equipment though - but they say it's equivalent. I would like other's opinions please - I want to do the work myself, as a first attempt anyway.
http://www.blauparts.com/vw/vw...shtml
So I s'pose want I want to know is:
1) Do you think changing the auto transmission fluid and filter is a good first step to solving this problem?
2) Do you think this kit is worthwhile and not a rip-off?
3) Other suggestions/options - am I on the right track?
Thanks in advance for any comments,
David
 

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Re: '02 1.8T Jetta not shifting gears from 1st, when cold (asparagii)

I just rang Aamco and they told me over the phone it sounded like "morning sickness". He reckons that a "soft parts overhaul" will be required and will cost me ~$2200. He reckons oil and filter change won't help - waste of $.
What do you all think?
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Re: '02 1.8T Jetta not shifting gears from 1st, when cold (asparagii)

First thing is you CAN'T change the filter on your transmission. The whole transmission has to come apart to change it. Crappy design for sure. You can however change the fluid yourself. I used the VW OEM fluid and my tranny still crapped out. I now use Mercon V which is far more inexpensive, $4 a quart versus $16 a quart if you can get it at a discount. Most dealers charge $32-40 a quart. I have used this fluid for 91k miles with no problems. I think the next thing you need to do is find somebody local with VAG-COM and do a proper scan of the TCM to check for codes. If none are presesnt, then try changing the fluid, but don't expect a miracle. You might get lucky.
 

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my 02 1.8 jetta has been having the same problems for about 6 months now. it kept getting progresivley worse until now it takes a full 10 to 15 minutes to get it to shift from 1st to 2nd. I did a fluid change with factory fluid and that did nothing. I got the codes pulled on a vag com and it showed nothing. I have the car at a local shop right now. The mechanic is going to check the solenoids in the tranny. He thinks the one that allows the first to second upshift is not working. I am hoping he gives me a call tommorow. I will post as soon as I learn more. Please do the same if you find the anser to the problem. Thanks
 

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Thx for replies - appreciate it.
Ok will look for the Mercon V fluid Coolbdub - thx. I reckon you're right re: sussing out the VAG. I didn't realize that the TCM would still give info, if no alarms were displayed on the dashboard. Am I right in assuming no visual alarms on dashboard, may still give a reading on the VAG tool???
Jackie - sounds like we're in the same boat. I'm up to about 10-15minutes now too and it's only been 1 week - so you did ok. Yes please tell me if you discover anything - appreciate it greatly - I'll do the same for you. My goals for tomorrow are to ring a local VW dealer and get their opinion. I will look at the ATF level tommorrow if possible.
Looking in my Bentley book, it says all 9 solenoid v/v's in the valve body and the shift lock solenoid v/v are hooked up to the onboard diagnostics (OBD). Also the transmission range, shaft speed, vehicle speed, transmission rpm speed, ATF temp and brake pressure switches/sensors for are hooked up to the OBD. Therefore if I'm getting the picture, they should feedback via the Transmission Control Module and therefore be detected by a VAG tool no? If so, why aren't you getting alarms?
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Re: (asparagii)

I've got the same problem as you guys.
I've tried a fluid change and it didn't help. Jackie I hope you can post up a good solution as I can't afford the $2,xxx repair bills as the second poster.
But if you need to drive your car what I have done is start up the car, it will obviously rev a bit high. After 2 minutes or so turn off and turn back on. Wait till the idle goes down below the first line (900??) on your tachometer and then your car should start to shift. Drive normally until your car fully warms up and then it should be fine.
I know it's not a solution but more of a bandage but this is what I had to start doing to just drive my car. Sooner or later I will take my car into the mechanics as well.
 

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Thx for tips Sam. I tried it once and not sure of results yet. It def. shifted quicker than just driving around alone - but I also waited till I felt it 'try' to shift from 1st to 2nd, then I put my foot down a bit tp increase revs and it worked. Maybe took 5 minutes instead of 15? Anyway, like you say a bandaid - I need to sort this out.
I am going to the VW dealer today for a diagnostic. I don't know if I will go straight ahead with any suggested repairs - depends on price etc. This dealer and I did not get off on the right foot, so I'm a but wary of their advice and I may get a 2nd opinion first. But I will post findings.
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Quote, originally posted by asparagii »
Thx for replies - appreciate it.
Ok will look for the Mercon V fluid Coolbdub - thx. I reckon you're right re: sussing out the VAG. I didn't realize that the TCM would still give info, if no alarms were displayed on the dashboard. Am I right in assuming no visual alarms on dashboard, may still give a reading on the VAG tool???
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Jackie - sounds like we're in the same boat. I'm up to about 10-15minutes now too and it's only been 1 week - so you did ok. Yes please tell me if you discover anything - appreciate it greatly - I'll do the same for you. My goals for tomorrow are to ring a local VW dealer and get their opinion. I will look at the ATF level tommorrow if possible.
Looking in my Bentley book, it says all 9 solenoid v/v's in the valve body and the shift lock solenoid v/v are hooked up to the onboard diagnostics (OBD). Also the transmission range, shaft speed, vehicle speed, transmission rpm speed, ATF temp and brake pressure switches/sensors for are hooked up to the OBD. Therefore if I'm getting the picture, they should feedback via the Transmission Control Module and therefore be detected by a VAG tool no? If so, why aren't you getting alarms?
You should have codes in the TCM, they may or may not trigger an engine CEL
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I never got a CEL light. The only codes my tcm showed were a bad tip switch and shift lock solenoid. The tip switch has been bad for a while. Months before the car quit upshifting. I think the shift lock solenoid code from where I had some stuff unpluged before and started the car. I dont believe either of these would have anything to do with the car not upshifting but then again I am no V-dub tech.
 

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VW dealer told me that there were no error codes from TCM/ECM and transmission fluid level ok. (I assume still old fluid though). The 'adaptions' (computer reset) were done - no difference. They told me I'd need new transmission which is $5400.
I will not be doing this.
Aamco said that pretty common for transmissions this age to require new o-rings - i.e. the 'soft parts overhaul' I posted above. That price is ~$2400.
I spose next step is to find out how much a reconditioned transmission would cost. I assume that'd be more than the overhaul though.
Another option is to trade the car in on another 2nd hand car......
anyway, things I gotta weigh up.
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So the Aamco soft parts overhaul has a 12month/12000 mile warranty. They said realistically, I'll get 80000 miles min. out of this.
So I'm thinking my options are:
1) trade in jetta on another car (don't really want to do this)
2) buy another recon/used transmission and fit it (Aamco said ~$650 would be the cost of installing alone). I may try and do this myself - depends what's involved. Can anyone tell me how long this takes and how hard it is?
3) bit more extreme, but work out how hard it would be to convert car to manual transmission. This is what I wanted in the first instance, but settled on the auto tippy cause I needed a car quickly and liked everything else in the package. So I will price this option - either to get someone else to do it all, or me do some or all of the work myself. Anyone done this before? I'm sure someone would have...
Once installed, I think there's less that can go wrong with a manual.
4) Get Aamco to rebuild the transmission. They'd only give me a price range $2200-2500.
I am going away for 3 weeks so will weigh it all up and deal with it when I come back.
Regards,
David


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thx Audi. Wow so many people in the same boat!
I'm a bit lost as to your current position. In Don's thread, you said fluid changes and N283 solenoid replacement didn't do anything.
Then you found that N281 was out of spec. Is this what you're currently ordering and going to replace?

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Re: '02 1.8T Jetta not shifting gears from 1st, when cold (asparagii)

my 92 jetta was doing the same thing, but my tranny fluid is low so im putting more in today, but the thing i found works to get it to shift when its cold is to keep it revving up around fifty five hundred rpms for five or ten seconds then it shifts fine, i just dont think this is to good for it but it works for now
 

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Hey guys, I hope someone has figured this problem out. My car has been in the shop for over 2 weeks now. My mechanic is a very smart guy but hes not used to the vw tranny. I am going to call him tommorow and see if he has made any progress. If so I will post the findings. Best of luck to you all. I hope one of us can figure this out.
 
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