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16v FAQ: if you are new to the 16v forum, this is the thread for you

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With the return of the search function, and in an effort to create a resource for the most commonly asked questions in the 16v forum, this thread is meant to provide a quick reference to those that are new 16v owners or are not familiar with the 16v engine.
Please add appropriate material to this thread; the things that are repeated will be deleted unless the general concensus is that they are more complete than the one that they come after. Please treat this as a working, breathing, living document and is meant to serve as a resource for commonly asked questions. This thread is not for personal bickering, and any posts that do not add relevant information to this thread will be deleted immediately and without explination.
I know most of you have something to add here, so get to work
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Re: 16v FAQ: if you are new to the 16v forum, this is the thread for you (130_R)

for 020 transmission information check out http://cars.vwsport.com/gears/index.html
it has gear ratios (1-5 and ring and pinion), information on SMS (self machining syndrome), speed / RPM calculator, excel spreadsheet download to calculate speeds (thanks Ron P), speedometer gear information and part numbers, and lots of other useful information.
 
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Re: 16v FAQ: if you are new to the 16v forum, this is the thread for you (130_R)

a post about the ABF 16v motor, used in the A3 cars in europe w/pics and links http://forums.vwvortex.com/zerothread?id=424868
and some peoples experience and info on how to run the dual exhaust cam setup http://forums.vwvortex.com/zerothread?id=365948
cheap alternative to the $100+ oxygen sensor for about $40 http://forums.vwvortex.com/zerothread?id=877406
premaid crank trigger wheel for all(older) vws with a external harmonic balancer www.eurospeed.ca prices shown are in canadian $ they also make 16v fuel rails.
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transmission rebuilds are available from HGB on here he is well known and respected in the business
ce2 swap into a A1 car http://forums.vwvortex.com/zerothread?id=610111
actual cuttaway view (not computer generated) of a 2.0 (9A) head ports http://forums.vwvortex.com/zerothread?id=1141959
what water outlet to use for the clip in style sensors??? P# 068 121 145Q pics and 2 posts about this http://forums.vwvortex.com/zer...44950 http://forums.vwvortex.com/zerothread?id=2008943
I highly recommend using anti seize lubricant went reinstalling water pump housing bolts, cv - hub splines, oxygen sensor threads, exhaust studs. these parts are very prone to corrosion due to either exposure to corrosive chemicals or excessive heat. I speak from experience
 
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Re: 16v FAQ: if you are new to the 16v forum, this is the thread for you (AntoineJo)

this is what removing the AC on a 2.0L 16v looks like. Notice the cut bracket, the alternator mounted where the A/C was, the 8v alternator pulley and the A/C belt used to drive the alternator.

 
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Re: 16v FAQ: if you are new to the 16v forum, this is the thread for you (AntoineJo)

Between a 1.8L and a 2.0L head, the best one is the one that is in the best condtion. If both are perfect condition, check again, one of them has to have some kind of default. In doubt, let the person who will rebuild and port it choose for you. If he does not know which to choose, find another machinist.
If you plan on not doing a port and polish, re-consider. The head is out of the car, so you might as well quit smoking for a few weeks and spend the 500$ on a p&p.
 
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Re: 16v FAQ: if you are new to the 16v forum, this is the thread for you (ltnflvr)

for the new comers...
the 16v engine came in 2 forms... 1.8L and 2.0L
the 1.8L 16v (code name PL) made 123hp stock, ran off CIS-e injection, and was introduced in late 86 Scirrocos and eventually found its way into the GLI and GTIs in 1987 to 1989. The bore and stroke are smaller than the 2.0L which enables it to rev to a stock 7200 RPM redline. The head on the 1.8L 16v has larger intake ports but smaller exhaust ports compared to a 2.0 16v head.
the 2.0 16v (code name 9A) made 134hp stock, ran off Motronic injection, and was introduced in early 90 in GLIs and in late 90/91 in GTIs up to 1992. They were also available in B3 Passats. The bore and stroke are larger than the 1.8L which means it could not rev as high from the factory (approx 6800 RPM) but it has better low end torque due to it's larger stroke and smaller intake ports but larger exhaust ports.
the only 16v engine that can be chipped is the 2.0 16v because it runs off Motronic injection...
http://www.Neuspeed.com
http://www.Autotech.com
http://www.GiacUsa.com
http://www.TTTuning.com
http://www.AdvancedMotorsport.com
all make chips for the 2.0 16v that greatly increase mid to top end power as well as raising the redline to 7000+ rpm.
1.8L 16v engines CANNOT be chipped! ...howeverm an option for the 1.8L 16v is the Autotech or TT fuel enrichment module which works similar to a chip by increasing the amount of fuel delivered at high RPM where the stock fuel map tends to lean out.
Whatever engine you choose, note that the 16v is an interference engine meaning that the piston and valve travel "overlap" which means that if you break your timing belt, there is a good chance that the valves and pistons will collide damaging your engine and valve train. You can prevent all this by properly changing the timing belt if it has not been changed in a while...a small price to pay for protection! The belt should be changed in 40-45K intervals ...


[Modified by Ted, 11:39 PM 11-28-2002]
 
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Re: 16v FAQ: THE MOST COMMON PROBLEM

IDLE OR BUCKING PROBLEMS ON 16V CARS:
If your motronic 2.0 16V car starts to idle funny, first thing you should do is go to the dealership, and make sure all the recalls have been fixed. Some cars did have recalls on computer wiring harnesses. Next, It seems that corrosion at the electrical connectors around the engine are to blame for the majority of these idling problems. Go to a good electronics store/warehouse, and get a can of Deoxit contact enhancer spray. It's about $14. Spray the inside of every electrical connector under the hood. The most important ones are the ones around the fuel distributor, one next to the firewall (potentiometer), one on the engine side (differential pressure regulator), and two under the intake boot (emmissions related).
Things that cause erratic idling on all CIS-E or Motronic 16Vs are:
1. the A/C hoses that run along the passenger side fender, next to the fuel distributor. There is an electrical connector on the side of the fuel distributor and the A/C hoses usually end up resting on it. This is not good. Get zip ties and zip tie the hoses so they do not rest on this connector.
2. Check for a small tear underneath the intake boot. Remove it completely to inspect it. This is a very common occurence. Any sort of vacuum leak can cause idling problems.
3. A failing fuel pre-pump. They're $60 bucks and take 20 minutes to replace.
4. A bad idle switch. The idle switch is located on the throttle body, and will cause idling problems if it doesn't engage and/or if it fails.
5. A bad oxygen sensor.
 
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Re: 16v FAQ: THE MOST COMMON PROBLEM (9A16V)

ah yes, timing the 16v.
timing belt and tensioner should be replaced every 60,000kms (as per VW), but it's your choice when / if you replace it. Why roll the dice?
anyway, here are some picture of the timing marks on a 16v. the transaxle / Flywheel mark is accesable under a plastic green screw on cap (no pictures of it - sorry), but it is on the driver side - where the transaxle mates to the engine. It's on top. you can't miss it.
The cam marks are on the inside (drivers side) of the pulley.
The crank pulley marks are on the crank (obviously) - but these line up to the plastic lower timing belt cover - and is not that accurate. the crank pulley and flywheel sping at the same rate, so use the flywheel mark.
The dot on the flywheel is 0° and the notch is factory timing.
ok, now for the pictures....
crank marks (line up with "V" notch on transaxle housing)

Another shot of the whole flywheel

Cam timing mark

Another cam mark

And the distributor (plug wires info and rotation)

that's it for now...




Modified by rockin16v at 8:55 AM 12-2-2003
 
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ah yes, timing the 16v.
timing belt and tensioner should be replaced every 60,000kms (as per VW), but it's your choice when / if you replace it. Why roll the dice?
anyway, here are some picture of the timing marks on a 16v. the transaxle / Flywheel mark is accesable under a plastic green screw on cap (no pictures of it - sorry), but it is on the driver side - where the transaxle mates to the engine. It's on top. you can't miss it.
The cam marks are on the inside (drivers side) of the pulley.
The crank pulley marks are on the crank (obviously) - but these line up to the plastic lower timing belt cover - and is not that accurate. the crank pulley and flywheel sping at the same rate, so use the flywheel mark.
The dot on the flywheel is 0° and the notch is factory timing.
ok, now for the pictures....
crank marks (line up with "V" notch on transaxle housing)

Another shot of the whole flywheel

Cam timing mark

Another cam mark

And the distributor (plug wires info and rotation)

that's it for now...




Modified by rockin16v at 8:55 AM 12-2-2003
Any chance someone can update with new pics, Rockin16v hasn't been active since 2013

-Stephen
 
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Re: 16v FAQ: if you are new to the 16v forum, this is the thread for you (rebel_eye)

quote:[HR][/HR]wow ! im gona make sure i get a 1.8L 16v head if i go 16v [HR][/HR]​
don't jump on that just yet ... the 1.8L 16v head may have higher flowing intake ports but it's exhaust ports don't flow as high as a 2.0 16v head. The head you use depends on the engine you are building. This is why the 2.0 16v makes more torque down low due to its smaller intake ports but larger exhaust ports. If you chose to port and polish the 16v head, then either head will work well but the myth that swapping on a 1.8L 16v head to a 2.0 block is the best may not really be beneficial ... I will return later to post more detailed information on this topic...

also the advertised compression ratio for the 16v engines is as follows:
1.8L 16v = 10:1 CR
2.0L 16v = 10.8:1 CR


[Modified by Ted, 10:36 AM 11-29-2002]
 
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Re: 16v FAQ: if you are new to the 16v forum, this is the thread for you (Ted)

Viewing from the front of the engine, the Scirocco 16v engine has the throttle body on the right side of the intake manifold ... all other 16v engines (both 1.8 and 2.0) have the throttle on the left side of the intake manifold ...
If you are planning to add a turbo to your GLI or GTI 16v engine, you will need to swap in a Scirocco 16v manifold/throttle body to have the throttle on the right side. If you are going to turbo a Scirocco 16v, you do not need to do this because you already have the correct manifold.
 
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Re: 16v FAQ: if you are new to the 16v forum, this is the thread for you (130_R)

If you are even thinking about swapping to Digi. 1 for your 16v... read the following post.... you have pretty much all of your questions and help you need there!!! http://****************.com/smile/emthup.gif

p.s.: get a bentley... it will cover most of what is being covered in this post...

http://forums.vwvortex.com/zerothread?id=537957


[Modified by littledevil34, 1:41 PM 11-29-2002]
 
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Re: 16v FAQ: if you are new to the 16v forum, this is the thread for you (rebel_eye)

Another possible reason your 16V may be idleing badly - or sounds like it runs on 3 cylinders on startup may be casued by a leaking Distributor. They ALL will leak eventually - and oil can leak into the Distributor cap...causing a misfire.....unhook your distributor cap and look inside - you will know if you have oil in there.....and you can usually see the oil leak down the side of the motor under the distributor cap......new distributors are running about $175 these days with a new cap and rotor - places like http://www.germanautoparts.com has them.
If you idle is not constant - and the revs bounce - it's probably your Idle stabilizer valve (ISV as people call it here) - kind of a small can looking thing with an electrical connection on it on the right side of the motor - they go bad as well - and can cause the car to stall.....replacement takes only a few minutes...
16V'S like to run hot - a normal oil operating temperature for 16V is betwwen 190-230 Degrees Farenheight (as seen on the multifunction display) if you temp goes higher than that - a new low temp thermostat and low temp fan switch are good idea's......the water temp should never go much past 1/2 way to 3/4's on the guage - in hot climates it will run at 1/2 to 3/4's - but in cooler climates and when running on the highway it should stay at like a 1/4 on the temp guage......
more to come later....
Dan
 
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Re: 16v FAQ: if you are new to the 16v forum, this is the thread for you (JettaManDan)

Another thing to note is to not worry if the 16v you are buying has over 100,000 miles on it AS LONG AS IT'S BEEN TAKEN CARE OF! Make sure the previous owner has kept records of everything that has been done.
The 16v engines are built so tightly from the factory that it doesn't FULLY break in until around 80K - 100K miles ... technically the engine should gain more power as the mileage increases ...
these engines are well built and with proper care, you should be able to get at least 180K to 200K out of them before any big repairs are needed.
 
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Re: 16v FAQ: if you are new to the 16v forum, this is the thread for you (mk2maniac)

To make your TT fuel enrichment module adjustable - replace the resistor with a potentiometer mounted in the engine compartment or in the dash.




[Modified by 83caddy16v, 7:15 PM 12-8-2002]
 
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Re: 16v FAQ: if you are new to the 16v forum, this is the thread for you (83caddy16v)

Mostly maintence advice:
Before you mess with the idle, timing, CO mixture, make sure or try:
Your injector o-rings/shrouds are good, you can tell by spraying some carb cleaner around the base and if theres a vaccum leak the idle will fluxuate briefly. Or if you grab the injector line and wiggle it, good o rings will be firm, bad ones will wiggle.
Follow all vaccum lines to their end make sure theres no leaks.
Your broken dip stick funnel is a vaccum leak.
Go thruogh all eletrical connections spray them with Wurth Contact OL, its a contact cleaner/enhancer.
Clean your grounds with some emery cloth, and put dieletric grease on them.
Make sure your Tune up stuff has been done within the last ~30,000 Miles Bosch plugs, fuel filter, decent wires oem bosch are the best IMO, Mann air filters are good, or make sure you clean your K&N when its full of crap.
Some dieletric grease around the plug wire boots makes a better contact and lets you take them off easily. o2 sensor should be done every~ 60,000 miles.
Most 16Vs run noticably better with a good grade of Gasoline.
A bottle of fuel system cleaner ie Techron, by Chevron will do wonders for dirty injectors, and excessive carbon build up.
Get a Bently Manual
 
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