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1982 Volkswagen Rabbit L Diesel HVAC

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I have installed a new compressor, condenser, evaporator, expansion valve, added r134 fittings and recharged the system. The AC is putting out good cool air, but the compressor never stops running while the Ac is turned on. Shouldn't the compressor cycle on and off? I see the high pressure switch location, but not the lower side switch. Is there a way to test it to see if they are working properly at a particular psi? My gauges don't fluctuate and stay at 35psi on low side and 210psi on high side.
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134A isn't as cold as r12, that is a fact, the second fact is that the volume is less than R12 in a charged system.

To compare it to an r12 unit, is ok, but was your condensor and evap changed over for a parallel flow which will generate a colder air did you replace the Dryer as well.

The Low pressure switch is usually on near the dryer. Over pressure isn't on some of the systems

So actually the Temp Switch that rests on your Evap, is what controls the on/off cycling of the AC. The Thermo switch should be physically attached to the Evap, on my 81 diesel it was into a brass tube that was attached with wires to the core, and the temp probe was placed inside of it. This held true to my 90's Cabriolets.

The really only time the unit cycles on/off is when the temp probe is frozen enough to say that the evap is freezing and needs to shut off to defrost. If you have the unit on full fresh air over the core, then it may never turn off as it isn't detecting the build up of frost/ice on the core.

On my cabbies in 90 degree air I don't think it would ever cycle, but on certain 50 degree days it would cycle on/off.

Also I have found that since I perveted the system to run R134a when entering a Hot car, as the cabin was up in the mid 90's, I would roll down the windws to vacate the hot air. The I would usually have the AC selector on to Max this allows the system to use Cabin air over the evap. Since this is re-cycling the Cabin air it gets cooler faster. After running for a couple of minutes I would then roll the windows up. If I had it on Max eventually on long runs the unit would turn off and on as sufficient cold cabin air would cause the system to freeze up. But in the Deep South, that is a very rare condition for short hops.

Verify that your max ac closes the external flap on your air plenum, and if there isn't foam on the edges to seal it is not on it then you are sucking hot engine/hood air over the core. Some where I have a how to on it, and I can't remember when VW placed a screen over it, that was missing on my 81 and after a couple of years with no Debris Guard over the hood vents, and no screen on my fresh air deflector, I sucked enough debris in to plug my drain, causing so much water in the heater box, that ie would freeze solid and cause a fog of ICY air out the vents.
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Thank you, Briano1234. This is good information. I did replace the dryer. Do you know what the manifold gauge readings should be with the ac on max and engine idling high? I worry that I may over pressurize the system. I was thinking that the high pressure switch wasn't working since the car had been sitting for a long time and it may have a rotted diaphragm.

To bring the car back to life I have:
  • Changed rear brake shoes and slave cylinders, calipers and pads on the front
  • replaced brake booster and master cylinder
  • rebuilt heater box with new heater core, evaporator, expansion valve (could not find a blower motor, but old one works on two high speeds)
  • put in new condenser, dryer, compressor, 134 fittings
  • installed new fuel gauge sending unit
  • rewired rear lights and plastic welded their sockets where they were broken
  • installed new glow plugs, injectors, and re-timed the injection pump to 105 (engine seems to be loud with clanking marbles. I may need to adjust it more.)
  • put the next size up steel wheels and tires (the wheels were from a BMW model)
  • putting in new upholstery from TMI
  • new alternator
  • put an auxiliary electric vacuum pump to run hvac flaps (used a timed relay to not pull power until the glow plugs are finished running.)
  • put new seals in mechanical vacuum pump for the brake booster
  • will be replacing carpet once I know I have fixed all the water leaks
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The compressor does not cycle like newer cars. As long as the high side pressure is not too high and the evaporator is nt freezing up, the compressor should run all the time.

The pressures you have now, do not seem extreme. The pressures will vary with the environment.
The compressor does not cycle like newer cars. As long as the high side pressure is not too high and the evaporator is nt freezing up, the compressor should run all the time.

The pressures you have now, do not seem extreme. The pressures will vary with the environment.
Great! Thank you again.
Kevin
How much slower is the car with the AC on? It’s hard to imagine a D, being even slower, lol.

-Todd
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Speed is not bad, but I am use to slow vehicles. Never had a V8. lol
How much slower is the car with the AC on? It’s hard to imagine a D, being even slower, lol.

-Todd
After about 9 years of Ownership, My wife got a ticket in Alabama on her way to visit her Kinfolk.
She was doing 82 in a 55... I said "How the hell did you ever get it to go that fast." To my dismay she said "I was coming off the Downhill of 65 before the "Dolly Parton" Bridge.." I laughed.. "It's a Bama thing."

I can remember that when my Diesel Bunny would cycle the A/C there was a noticeable uplift in the engine when it shut off. I can also remember being in 2 or 3rd climbing Mt Eagle, and in the slow lane, and semi's fully loaded were passing me LOLOLOLOL.

Dieselness was fun...
All for the love of fuel economy. I'm glad I never got that bug. The power/noise of a new diesel is really impressive. The emission reliability is atrocious. The time is changing and I think small diesels have had their golden age.
After about 9 years of Ownership, My wife got a ticket in Alabama on her way to visit her Kinfolk.
She was doing 82 in a 55... I said "How the hell did you ever get it to go that fast." To my dismay she said "I was coming off the Downhill of 65 before the "Dolly Parton" Bridge.." I laughed.. "It's a Bama thing."

I can remember that when my Diesel Bunny would cycle the A/C there was a noticeable uplift in the engine when it shut off. I can also remember being in 2 or 3rd climbing Mt Eagle, and in the slow lane, and semi's fully loaded were passing me LOLOLOLOL.

Dieselness was fun...
Yep, I figure I will used it around our small town and forget the interstate or large hills. It is our second vehicle and my project car.
I gave up on having A/C in a 1.6 n/a years ago. It never works well for long unless you become your owndedicated a/c technician. You'll probably also need to do electrical upgrades to keep from melting the old mk1 wiring.

I met a retired engineer who had one that proudly told me he converted his mk1 gasser's working a/c to use propane, not sure what issues led to that but he talked like it was a battle.
On the last 1.6's I got I did not hesitate to do the full a/c delete and relay the radiator fan.
Relaying the glowplugs is a good idea too if you want reliable starting. At least know how to jump the gp's if you have to.

Anything to lighten the vehicle helps, and the single belt alt/waterpump is the best for me but
my mk1 is specifically for long trips. Tinted windows and a white(ish) paint color keeps it comfortable enough on the interstate. The reduced stress of v-belt issues also helps to keep me cooler when trying to keep up at 75. I like to cruise at slower speeds too, but sometimes that's just hazardous.
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I met a retired engineer who had one that proudly told me he converted his mk1 gasser's working a/c to use propane,
I’ve done that… it was cold! All of the r12 alternatives are a mixture of propane, butane, etc. I’ve also used computer duster which at one point was r134a. When I used it, it was r152a.

-Todd
I’ve done that… it was cold! All of the r12 alternatives are a mixture of propane, butane, etc. I’ve also used computer duster which at one point was r134a. When I used it, it was r152a.

-Todd
Thank you for the info.
My 91 Cabriolet is blowing with something flammable gas. Blows cold.
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