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edit: New common rail diesels won't be out until LATE SEPTEMBER 2008.
http://deviantspeed.com/2008_t...esels
older info for the history books:
VW will do a special edition diesel that will be a late 2006 model. There will be no 2007 jetta. More info can be found here:
http://forums.vwvortex.com/zerothread?id=2775009
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user old ghost says that NB is the first to show NB TDI for calendar year 2008:
http://forums.vwvortex.com/zer...79634

The latest on the new engine/first chassis:
http://www.edmunds.com/insidel...15930
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Wegehaupt said all-new common-rail diesel technology will be forthcoming on the New Beetle for calendar-year 2008. He said the new 2.0-liter diesel engine is estimated to deliver 140 horsepower and more than 200 pound-feet of torque while meeting tougher U.S. regulations. Volkswagen said a special model of the New Beetle is also planned for 2007. It will be a white-on-white model that will go on sale in spring 2007. It will feature a white interior and exterior and a white trunk lid, although the top will be black. No pricing has been set yet.

If that's the spec, that's not bad. Can't wait to see the EPA economy numbers on this. It's probably safe to assume that this engine will flow into the jetta and then hopefully the rabbit.

Another article that's worth a read, with some sales stats:
http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.../1014
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VW's diesel sales have boomed in 2006, helping propel the German brand to a 20.4% increase in U.S. sales. Diesels accounted for 22.7% of VW's U.S. sales for the first four months of 2006, nearly twice their traditional 12%, VW spokesman Steve Keyes said.


Here's some ULSD info about specs and lubricity:
Lubricity, read this:
http://www.bp.com/liveassets/b...6.pdf
Note this:
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Sulfur-containing compounds act as a lubricant in diesel fuels. Thus, removing sulfur can lower the fuel’s lubricating
quality – BP is adding a lubricity additive to assure that our ULSD meets ASTM specification D975


And read up on ASTM D975, here's a start:
http://www.epa.gov/cleandiesel...75%22
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What Does the Standard Require?
• Diesel Fuel must show less than 520 μm wear
as measured by the ASTM D6079, High
Frequency Reciprocating Rig (HFRR) test

There will always be those that put in addtives. I always will use PS, and a min of 5% bio will help with lubricity, and vw approves it http://****************.com/smile/emthup.gif
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Why did VW not anticipate all the changes, why is there not going to be a 2007 model?
To meet the new emissions specs, some changes have to be done, both to diesel vehicles, and to the fuel distribution network. Without the fuel in place, emissions standards are much harder to meet.
http://www.greendieseltechnolo...&link=
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November 09, 2005
EPA announced today that they have approved a direct final rule to delay the required availability date for ULSD from September 1, 2006 until October 15, 2006. This is the long anticipated rule that provides some relief to the petroleum distribution network so that they have additional time to deliver ULSD to retail outlets.

What is this new emission spec everyone is talking about?
Tier II Bin 5 is what it is called, it will allow 50 state certification for diesel cars (yes, CA is included
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http://www.greencarcongress.co....html
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Tier 2 Bin 5 is the “50-state diesel” standard—matching California requirements—for light duty vehicles.

There is a nice chart there showing the specs of the new standard.


VW Outlines the future of fuels, including Sunfuel
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Re: 2007/8 Diesel info (syntrix)

Good find!
Now if we can get a 2008 Passat Variant 6MT TDI and a 2008 5 Door Rabbit TDI with 6MT!
Oh to dream!
 

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Re: 2007/8 Diesel info (XM_Rocks)

wow this is awesome...i wish that the government, oil companies and car manufactures could have coordinated this a little better. VW could have sold eleventybillion TDI's and I would not have to break countless customer's hearts for months because there is no way to get a diesel VW...
And it makes the 2.5's fuel ecomony figures look that much more pathetic
(although comparably to the Honda Accord and Camry with 4-bangers they all average the same 24mpg, and you get more torque and even the base VW's have fully lined trunks, etc while the Japanese equivalents don't)
 

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Quote, originally posted by TheGermanExperience »
wow this is awesome...i wish that the government, oil companies and car manufactures could have coordinated this a little better. VW could have sold eleventybillion TDI's and I would not have to break countless customer's hearts for months because there is no way to get a diesel VW...
And it makes the 2.5's fuel ecomony figures look that much more pathetic
(although comparably to the Honda Accord and Camry with 4-bangers they all average the same 24mpg, and you get more torque and even the base VW's have fully lined trunks, etc while the Japanese equivalents don't)

My accord doesn't have a fully lined trunk, news to me. Also I have more torque then the 2.5 if I remember correctly but the 2.5 makes it a little sooner not that I care much if I wanted power i'd have gotten the v6, I wanted fuel economy.
 

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Re: 2007/8 Diesel info (rambag3)

I'll add a history of the ULSD waivers and delays that have affected TDI's for 2007... probably later today or tonight. I figure that there's so many people asking the same questions over and over, I might as well put a little topic together that people can find here http://****************.com/smile/emthup.gif
TDI FTW!!!!!
 

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My accord doesn't have a fully lined trunk, news to me. Also I have more torque then the 2.5 if I remember correctly but the 2.5 makes it a little sooner not that I care much if I wanted power i'd have gotten the v6, I wanted fuel economy.

Do you have 160 lb-ft torque on your Accord?


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Re: 2007/8 Diesel info (syntrix)

You know currently the 2.0TDI is in 140 and 170Hp form. And we know we never get the good stuff over here so no 170hp. I have no way to decipher from Imperial gallons ect.. But im sure someone could provide a conversion to US mpg.
 

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Do you have 160 lb-ft torque on your Accord?

Modified by Mike Gordon at 11:02 AM 8-24-2006

You mean 200 on the new tdi's http://****************.com/smile/emthup.gif 140 horsepower and more than 200 pound-feet of torque
 

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You mean 200 on the new tdi's http://****************.com/smile/emthup.gif 140 horsepower and more than 200 pound-feet of torque

I was just questioning the fact that he said he had more torque than the 2.5, which I don't beleive he does.
 

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Re: 2007/8 Diesel info (Mike Gordon)

Quote, originally posted by Mike Gordon »

Do you have 160 lb-ft torque on your Accord?

Modified by Mike Gordon at 11:02 AM 8-24-2006

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http://automobiles.honda.com/m...Sedan
maybe you're thinking of the Civic's engine
Horsepower 140 @ 6300
Torque 128 @ 4300



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Re: 2007/8 Diesel info (Mike Gordon)

Quote, originally posted by Mike Gordon »
The 2.5 has 170 lb-ft torque. So I was correct. No biggie.

My apologies the accord is more hp less torque
 

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Quote, originally posted by syntrix »
I'll add a history of the ULSD waivers and delays that have affected TDI's for 2007... probably later today or tonight. I figure that there's so many people asking the same questions over and over, I might as well put a little topic together that people can find here http://****************.com/smile/emthup.gif
TDI FTW!!!!!

You going head-to-head with Sharpton for the presidency in '08 or something?

Thanks for putting this together, Lee. I'll add it to the eff ay kew.
 

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You going head-to-head with Sharpton for the presidency in '08 or something?

Bwahahaha, after our conversation the other day, I'm rollin'

I'll clean it up later for easier reading and add other interesting tidbits http://****************.com/smile/emthup.gif
 

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Re: 2007/8 Diesel info (Geesevs)

I was thinking Rabbit Diesel, but what with wanting 4 doors, DSG and more comfortable seats, maybe what I want is really a GTI Diesel (GTD?)
I'm totally OK with meeting the CARB and EPA regulations for smog. I only wish it could happen sooner. I hope my current car runs OK until then.
 
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