[Coolwhite Fox]

8V FAQ

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Please only post answers in this thread.
8v Engine FAQ
8v Engine Listing


Modified by The_Hamster at 5:06 PM 8-27-2008

 

[Coupe_88]

Re: 8V FAQ (Coolwhite Fox)

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Modified by Coupe_88 at 4:41 AM 9-12-2003

 

[Coupe_88]

Re: 8V FAQ (Coolwhite Fox)

Dual outlet manifold, dual downpipe , and high flow cat install.
-My notes on this experience.
http://forums.vwvortex.com/zerothread?id=917225
Digifant Idle help
-idle switch adjustment mainly, a commonly overlooked step
http://forums.vwvortex.com/zerothread?id=731083
Engine mount replacement
-Right rear, notes from my experience
http://forums.vwvortex.com/zerothread?id=963180
Timing Belt replacement
http://www.alpinenetworks.com/~sarwat/jetta/tb/
Water Pump replacement
http://forums.vwvortex.com/zerothread?id=548334
Various useful VW info
http://www.nwlink.com/~vdb/cars.html

Modified by Coupe_88 at 5:05 AM 9-12-2003


Modified by Coupe_88 at 5:15 AM 9-12-2003

 

[DanielAdams]

Re: 8V FAQ (Coupe_88)

HELP!
I need help right now. I need to rebuild my car in 10 minutes or my life is over. If you have a problem, if no one else can help, and if you can find them, maybe you can ask...
Acronyms & Abbreviations
A few acronyms for those struggling to understand posts in the archives etc:
ABA - 2litre 8v block that debuted on mk3 Golfs amongst others.
AFM - An airflow meter. Reports the quantity of air entering the engine to the ECU.
CIS - Continuous INjection fuelling system - fuel injectors run in continuous cycle whilst engine is running.
CTS - Coolant temperature sensor. Blue plug on water pipe on fornt of cylinder head.
digi - Digifant Electronic fuel injection system as used on later mk2 8v golfs, amongst others.
digi1 - two varieties of digifant referred to as 'digi'. First, California-only emissions-tight digifant version. Second, digi1 as used in G60 engines.
digi2 - later released digifant system utilising VAM, most digifants are digi2.
ISV- Idle Stabilisation Valve, electronically controlled valve used to stabilise idle under ancilliary load. Cylindircal object on top of rocker cover with one plug and two hoses connected to it.
ECU - Electronic Control Unit, manages electrnoic fuel injections etc. Metal box with heatsink, usually under left hand corner of raintray cover in engine bay.
EFI - electronically controlled fuel injections system. As used on digifant.
ICM - ignition control module. sits on top of ECU and controls ignition.
ICU - ignition control unit, as above.
ITBs - Individual throttle bodies. A throttle body for each cylinder, as opposed to the single throttle body attached to a common intake plenum used on most EFI setups.
MFI - mechanicallly controlled fuel injection. As used on post-carb, pre-digifant 8v engines.
O2 - oxygen sensor in exhaust system that helps report lean/rich condition of engine to ECU.
OEM - Original Equipment Manufacturer. OEM items are items that came "stock" from VW.
VAM - vane air meter. A type of AFM that utilises a flap spring-loaded against engine load to report air intake quantity.
IM me if you have any others you think would help people, or spotted a mistake above

Digifant
Where can I find basic information about Digifant fuel injection?
Where can I find Digifant technical documentation (for advanced questions)?

Engine Blocks
What is the difference between 3A and ABA blocks?
what is an ABA block?
What other engine could I swap in? (Gasp! 8v heresy!)
What sort of power can an ABA block swap make?

Heads
what's the best 8v head?
Can I re-use my head bolts?
What flows better: counterflow or crossflow head?
How can I tell a solid head from a hydro one?
will a 16v head fit an 8v block?

Clutches
how do i go about replacing my clutch? (second how-to)
Can I use a 16v clutch and pressure plate on my 8v?

Idle
How do I fix my digifant's erratic idling?
Where is my ISV located?
Can I clean my ISV?
Do I need an ISV?
How can I remove my ISV?

Other
How do I find a vacuum leak?
What is the knock sensor and how does it work?
Can I swap out or improve my intake manifold?
What the heck is the plastic thing under the gas pedal?
How can I nudge my 8v through an emissions test?
what OEM bolt-ons are there for the 8v?
Where can I get a cheap o2 sensor?
Any tips on fixing my sloopy shifter?

If anyone can improve on the answers to these questions, just post in the relevant linked thread so the info is there to people who follow that link from the FAQ

Dan
Modified by DanielAdams at 1:15 PM 11-6-2003


Modified by DanielAdams at 5:56 PM 3-19-2004

 

[gearhead455]

Re: 8V FAQ (DanielAdams)

System overview of CIS K-Jetronic injection

What engine code and what injection system? :

CIS basic before 1979, Systems after 79 have O2 sensors on US models


Modified by gearhead455 at 2:15 PM 9-12-2003

 

[rocco8v]

Re: 8V FAQ (gearhead455)

Always a good explination gearhead...
For those of you runing digi II, you can upgrade your fuel injectors to G60. Also the G60 FPR is an upgrade. These make a nice addition to a low boost application.
For all JH motor owners... Get the cam from a 1.5 or 1.6 liter motor... nice idle, but more duration and lift... great factory upgrade...
020 Transmission Specifications Codes located at bottom of Bell Housing

CODE R&P 1st 2nd 3rd 4th 5th Overall Flanges Switch Mount
2H 3.94 3,45 2.12 1.44 1.13 0.91 3.59 90mm Large Stud
2Y 3.67 3.45 2.12 1.44 1.13 0.91 3.34 100mm Small Both*
4K 3.94 3.45 2.12 1.44 1.13 0.89 3.46 90mm Large Stud
4S 3.94 3.45 1.94 1.29 0.91 0.75 2.96 100mm Large Hole
4T 3.67 3.45 1.94 1.29 0.91 0.75 2.75 90mm Large Stud
4Y 3.67 3.45 2.12 1.44 1.13 0.91 3.34 90mm Large Stud
6G 3.65 3.45 1.94 1.29 0.91 0.71 2.59 90mm Large Stud
7A 3.94 3.45 1.94 1.29 0.91 0.71 2.80 90mm Large Stud
7D 3.94 3.45 1.94 1.25 0.91 0.71 2.80 90mm Large Stud
7G 3.65 3.45 2.12 1.44 1.13 0.91 3.32 90mm Large Stud
8A 3.67 3.45 1.94 1.29 0.91 0.75 2.75 90mm Large Stud
9A 3.67 3.45 2.12 1.44 1.13 0.89 3.27 100mm Large Hole
ACD 3.67 3.45 2.12 1.44 1.13 0.89 3.27 100mm Small Both*
ACH 3.94 3.45 1.94 1.37 1.03 0.75 2.96 90mm Large Hole
ACL 3.67 3.45 1.94 1.37 1.03 0.75 2.75 100mm Large Hole
ACN 3.67 3.45 1.94 1.37 1.03 0.75 2.75 100mm Large Hole
AEN 3.67 3.45 2.12 1.44 1.13 0.89 3.27 100mm Small Both*
AGB* 3.67 3.45 2.12 1.44 1.13 0.91 3.34 100mm Large Both*
AGS 3.94 3.45 1.94 1.29 0.91 0.75 2.96 100mm Small Hole
AMC 3.67 3.45 1.94 1.29 0.97 0.80 2.94 100mm Small Hole
AON 3.67 3.45 1.94 1.37 1.03 0.75 2.75 100mm Small Hole
AOP 3.94 3.45 1.94 1.29 0.91 0.75 2.96 100mm Small Hole
APW 3.67 3.45 1.75 1.37 0.97 0.85 3.20 90mm Large Hole
ASF 3.67 3.45 1.94 1.37 1.03 0.75 2.75 100mm Small Hole
ATH 3.67 3.45 1.94 1.29 0.91 0.75 2.75 100mm Small Hole
AUG 3.67 3.45 1.94 1.44 1.13 0.89 3.27 100mm Small Hole
AVX 4.25 3.45 1.94 1.29 0.91 0.75 3.19 90mm Small Hole
AWY 3.94 3.45 1.94 1.44 1.13 0.89 3.51 100mm Small Hole
CHE 3.67 3.45 1.94 1.29 0.97 0.80 2.94 100mm Small Hole
FD 3.89 3.45 2.12 1.44 1.13 0.91 3.54 90mm Small Stud
FF 3.89 3.45 1.94 1.29 0.97 0.76 2.96 90mm Large Stud
FH 3.89 3.45 1.94 1.29 0.91 0.71 2.76 90mm Large Stud
FJ 3.89 3.45 1.94 1.29 0.91 0.71 2.76 90mm Large Stud
FK 3.89 3.45 2.12 1.44 1.13 0.91 3.54 90mm Small Stud
FM 3.89 3.45 2.12 1.44 1.13 0.91 3.54 90mm Small Stud
FN 3.89 3.45 1.94 1.29 0.91 0.71 2.76 90mm Large Stud
FO 3.89 3.45 1.94 1.29 0.97 0.76 2.96 90mm Small Stud
there are the 020 trans codes...

 

[Krautwagen]

Re: 8V FAQ (rocco8v)

Cam Saver / Upper Oil Baffle

Will work with ALL VW 8v valve covers
This includes:
G60
Polo
Seat
standard stamped steel
And should fit most aftermarket ones:
Drake
If you can add any to this list (i.e. Moroso, Oettinger(sp?)), please IM me

 

[Brooklynkidvw]

Re: 8V FAQ (Krautwagen)

More info

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[turbovw18]

Re: 8V FAQ (Brooklynkidvw)

where's all the CIS help http://****************.com/smile/emthup.gif
good info

 

[Coupe__88]

Re: 8V FAQ (turbovw18)

A/C removal on 8 valve cars with manual steering:
http://forums.vwvortex.com/zerothread?id=1081179

 

[rocco8v]

Re: 8V FAQ (Coupe__88)

I know that all of you know this, but...
Cut out the bottom, headlight side, and fender side of your airbox, with a K&N drop in... maybe 5 hp at the top... maybe.
Replace your throttle body with an audi 5000, or A2 golf jetta CIS car. larger butterflys, more air...
Get a cam from a digi 2 GTI, it has more lift and duration than yours, a little stock upgrade, especially if your poor...
Replace your airtube with painted PVC pipe (the white stuff) in a 3" diameter. I know it sound ghetto, but would you rather spend $10, or $90 from ABD???
All the A1 CIS cars, get an A2 cis fuel distributer, the air side is larger for better flow.
Scirocco owners... buy the Autotech, or make your own Alternator wire upgrade. it really helps, especially with a system and better lighting. i never had a dead battery with this upgrade.
Speaking of alt. upgrades, most if not all 8v owners can upgrade to the 120 amp audi alternator, but i don't know how... someone help please.
Oh yea one more thing... i learned this the hard way... ANY TIME YOU BUY A CAR... RIP THE OILPAN OFF AND CHECK THE OIL SUMP TUBE!!!!!!! i roasted my german spec rocco this way... just buy a gasket, and change the oil, but clean out the tube to be on the safe side...

 

[MK2RIDER]

Re: 8V FAQ (Coolwhite Fox)

how do i make my car fast i have a 1992 golf 4 door 1.8l 8 v automatica

i got bet my a honda accord 92 auto

HELP
Modified by MK2RIDER at 6:27 AM 11-14-2003

Modified by MK2RIDER at 6:29 AM 11-14-2003


Modified by MK2RIDER at 7:20 AM 11-14-2003

 

[Coupe__88]

Re: 8V FAQ (MK2RIDER)

Your best bet is to do your homework, learn about engines, and talk to experienced tuners about what works good with other things. definiatly try this question in the forum, G2/J2 forum and you will get better results.

 

[Zekes89Jetta]

Re: 8V FAQ (Coolwhite Fox)

If you're having idle or hesitation problems and nothing has corrected it.......check the collar/flange on the oil dipstick tube. If its cracked/broken/not sealing good it will cause a vacumn leak. Everytime I suggest this to someone thats having idle hesitation problems I get replies like...dude you cant be serious.
Look it up in the Bentley.
Section 5 page 7, Fuel System-Gasoline
Last sentence in paragraph of 3.1 ----- Since proper fuel system operation depends on accurate measurement of the intake air, any unmetered air entering the system via vacumn leaks will cause poor running.
Section 5 page 14 This is for Digifant but probally applies to CIS as well....a vacumn leak is a vacumn leak.
Table D Digifant Troubleshooting....
symptom...Engine idles rough or stalls
Probable cause...a.--Vacumn(intake air) leak
Corrective action...a.---Inspect intake air components for leaking hoses, hose connections, and cracks or other leaks. Check for loose oil fill cap or dip stick If the dip stick collar is cracked...it might as well be loose...its not sealing.
Symptom...Engine misses, hesitates, or stalls under load
Probable cause....Vacumn leak is listed again and the corrective action is the same as above.

 

[RommelVeedubber]

Will the oil pump from a JH engine fit in an RV engine?

 

[rocco8v]

Re: (RommelVeedubber)

yes, but the RV is a hydro motor, and the RV oil pump is rated for more, so always get a hydro oil pump, or you will starve your lifters for oil, cause premature failure.

 

[RommelVeedubber]

Good to know. Also, are there any issues when putting a JH head on the RV block? Are there any oil jounals that don't line up or stuff like that? I understand that the JH is a solid lifter head, so the only major thing is setting up the valves correctly.

 

[rocco8v]

Re: (RommelVeedubber)

No problem with the internals, but your Fuel injection is going to be a pain. You are going from a digi 2 head to CIS... I am not sure of the process of converting the head to take digi 2, but there are steps to take.

 

[RommelVeedubber]

Ok, does anybody know the steps? IIRC, there's something to do with the injectors, shrouds maybe? Can somebody explain the differences?

 

[wildvw4]

Re: 8V FAQ (Coolwhite Fox)

OK, the good news is that the clutch lever was in fact broken and I got a new one for it.
However, now I have another problem. I accidentaly removed a long, smooth shaft from the upper right hand side of the tranny (like when you're looking straight at the green cap at the end of the tranny) and I can't put it back in 'cause something is on the way.

Someone told me this shaft is what holds the gears in the tranny together and when I pulled it, the gears collapsed. He told me the only way to put it back in is to completely remove the tranny, open it up and realign it. Basically, rebuild the tranny.
PLEASE TELL ME THIS ISN'T TRUE.

If I need to remove the tranny, are there any special tools I should get to do the job? Any special tools required to do work inside of the tranny?
Any advice/suggestions are greatly appreciated.
Thanks,
Tony



Modified by wildvw4 at 8:17 AM 3-25-2004