[jester69]

Okay,
Which would you rather have, a long stroke 2l 16v turbo OR a 5v per cylinder 1.8T
Does extra displacement win, or does the 5 valve flow a lot better, which would you run? Or another way, which has higher HP potential, time no object, money somewaht of an object. (assuming valve sizes couldnt be changed & mild p&p work allowed only, no full race rewelding head job.)
I've been thinking of turbocharging a 16v, but am wondering if my money is better spent on a 1.8t, hmm.
take care,
Steve

 

[Fast2.0L]

Re: ABA 16V turbo, Vs. 1.8t, which wins? (jester69)

The 16V can be made decently powerful for probably less money. I'd expect it should be able to put down around 300-350hp if it was setup right with stand alone engine management, P&P head, pistons, rods, and what not. Probably would max the engine out at around 300hp with stock internals though. The 1.8T has far better potential though when money isn't an object. A good conversion to a T3/4 Turbo or a small T4, and all the other goodies like injectors and boost contoller, could make for 300-350hp. The shorter stroke is really good for a high end boost setup. Also if you ever want to go extreme the 1.8T is the way to go. My buddy's dad is running 38lbs of boost, fully built internals(Cost 2 times the price of the rest of the mods), 750cc injectors, TECII, and a bunch of other tricks. I don't know how much horsepower but in a tube framed new beetle it's wicked fast. So it all comes down to how much money you have to burn and how much power you really need.

 

[jester69]

Re: ABA 16V turbo, Vs. 1.8t, which wins? (Fast2.0L)

quote:[HR][/HR]The shorter stroke is really good for a high end boost setup. Also if you ever want to go extreme the 1.8T is the way to go.[HR][/HR]​

Hmm, so what do you all think is the best bottom end to put under a 16v head for turbocharging? 1.8 16v, 2.0 16v, or 2.0 ABA, or will a 2.0 3a fit, that has the shortest stroke of all the 2l's i think... Basically for an extreme boost setup, which one is best? (now i'll be doing low boost, but later on i'm sure i'll want to try for more..)
The 300 to 350 on stock internals with a 16v sounds good to me I think

I was just waxing poetic on wether or not a 16v could be faster with greater displacement.
thanks for the input on this one.
take care,
Steve
Edit: clarify block designations


[Modified by jester69, 6:56 AM 11-28-2001]

 

[troze1200]

Re: ABA 16V turbo, Vs. 1.8t, which wins? (jester69)

1.8t
It's stronger and better suited for a turbo. Dear god, look at all the tech in the head alone. It's one of the best motors ever made. Think, billy T is killing 2.9T's with his measly 300 whp.
It's not always about #'s, and the 1.8t is a good total package.

 

[H2oVento]

Re: ABA 16V turbo, Vs. 1.8t, which wins? (jester69)

a chipped 1.8T is faster then light. Skeve Hawkings is trying to develope a theory about it with albert einstine via john edwards.

 

[1.BillyT]

Re: ABA 16V turbo, Vs. 1.8t, which wins? (troze1200)

quote:[HR][/HR]Think, billy T is killing 2.9T's with his measly 300 whp.
[HR][/HR]​

344 whp

That is on a stock motor, btw.
I guess it just depends on your ultimate goal. An A2 with a turbo 16V making 250hp is gonna be real fast, and you can do that on a stock motor. If you were thinking about building a 16V to handle boost, a 1.8t might be a better choice. OEM reliability, and good for over 300 wheel.
I had a buddy in the same delimma, turbo the 16V or drop in a 1.8t. He is going the 1.8t route. T3/T04E, stock bottom end, headwork, cams, Haltech, probably make about 350 wheel safely. That car is gonna be scary fast, and will be on the road in 2 months or less... You will all know his car, no doubt about it.

 

[killa]

Re: ABA 16V turbo, Vs. 1.8t, which wins? (jester69)

quote:[HR][/HR]Hmm, so what do you all think is the best bottom end to put under a 16v head for turbocharging? 1.8 16v, 2.0 16v, or 2.0 ABA, or will a 2.0 3a fit, that has the shortest stroke of all the 2l's i think... Basically for an extreme boost setup, which one is best? (now i'll be doing low boost, but later on i'm sure for the input on this one.
Edit: clarify block designations

[Modified by jester69, 6:56 AM 11-28-2001][HR][/HR]​

The 3A and 9A are pretty much the same internals, one's from a vw the other from an audi, as far as blocks go, i'd have to stick with the cc's, fully built, you'll have a long rod motor with multi valves, i havent seen a dyno from a 1.8t and a 2.0 16v turbo running the same turbo's, id like to see it but i think the ABA 16v would be better...