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Who knew? Nissan's ghastly styling works well for its quirky, capable electric. Dare I say the Leaf interior is better than any of their gas sedans? Still waiting for further signs of life at Nissan.
 

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Exterior :thumbdown:

Interior :thumbup::thumbup::thumbup:

150miles range :thumbup::thumbup::thumbup:

Overall: DO WANT.
 

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Did it say that, or you just BSing?
It doesn't seem to say anything about a liquid cooled battery. That said, Nissan did a TON of work after the fiasco with the first Leaf, so much so that they actually had an internal code name for the revised battery pack: the lizard pack. It was specifically designed after the complaints/lawsuit in Phoenix where cars were losing 20-30% of range per year due to the heat. Supposedly the lizard battery has resolved all the heat issues and honestly I haven't heard any complaints since.

The other thing is that the more capacity a pack has, the fewer cycles it will go through and the lower the C rate for charging and discharging. Basically the bigger the battery pack, the easier it is to deal with. This is part of why Tesla has never had problems, since almost all of their cars are sold with 70kwh and up. A few are 60, but even that is the minimum, where the first Leaf shipped with just 24kwh. Now that they're shipping with a base of 40kwh, that's up 67% from the original Leaf and 33% from the enhanced long range edition of the 1st gen car. It's just a lot less likely that you'll run into battery troubles the larger the pack is, and 40kwh is a pretty big pack by sub-$30k EV standards.

I'm not a fan of Nissan's current design language, but I do find this car slightly more attractive than the outgoing Leaf, and the 40kwh battery and Android Auto to be very attractive. If this thing depreciates as much as the first Leaf, then I may be picking up a 2018 Leaf in 2022 or so for $10k.
 

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Nice. I can buy one used for my kid in five years for cheap! :laugh: I'd actually drive one. Just for commuting, it'd be great.
 

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It doesn't seem to say anything about a liquid cooled battery. That said, Nissan did a TON of work after the fiasco with the first Leaf, so much so that they actually had an internal code name for the revised battery pack: the lizard pack. It was specifically designed after the complaints/lawsuit in Phoenix where cars were losing 20-30% of range per year due to the heat. Supposedly the lizard battery has resolved all the heat issues and honestly I haven't heard any complaints since.

The other thing is that the more capacity a pack has, the fewer cycles it will go through and the lower the C rate for charging and discharging. Basically the bigger the battery pack, the easier it is to deal with. This is part of why Tesla has never had problems, since almost all of their cars are sold with 70kwh and up. A few are 60, but even that is the minimum, where the first Leaf shipped with just 24kwh. Now that they're shipping with a base of 40kwh, that's up 67% from the original Leaf and 33% from the enhanced long range edition of the 1st gen car. It's just a lot less likely that you'll run into battery troubles the larger the pack is, and 40kwh is a pretty big pack by sub-$30k EV standards.

I'm not a fan of Nissan's current design language, but I do find this car slightly more attractive than the outgoing Leaf, and the 40kwh battery and Android Auto to be very attractive. If this thing depreciates as much as the first Leaf, then I may be picking up a 2018 Leaf in 2022 or so for $10k.
There's also a power bump from 109hp to 150, should make it more interesting as well.

40kW is enough for most people most of the time, short range commuters can rely on a singe charge a week, longer range, such as myself, will have that extra margin. Let's face it, the Leaf will remain the best selling EV nameplate for a while longer. It's like the Toyota Corolla of EVs.
 

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So along those lines, I see one of the Euro reviews claims they speculate that the long range version will have an NEDC range of 310 miles versus this model's 235 mile rating. Apply that 32% gain to the US model and that puts the US EPA rating at 198 miles for the long range model. Apply to battery capacity and it suggests the long range one may have a 53 kwh pack versus the standard model's 40 kwh pack. We'll see as they release more info, but if the Euro review is accurate, then the long range Leaf with 198 mile range will be at 84% of the range of the Bolt but with a potentially lower starting price if they can start the long-range Leaf at $35k versus the Bolt's starting price of $37.5k.
 

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Looks good (if a bit tall). good price.

Too lazy to read, did they finally give it's battery pack liquid cooling?
 

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Still quite ugly. Why can't they just make a normal car, but electric?

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This looks much more in line with standard Nissan "styling" than the previous Leaf did.
Now, I think Nissan's current design direction is awful, but this new Leaf fits in quite nicely with the Murano and Maxima.
There are some nice touches, here and there, but there is simply too much going on.
The detailing of the "grille" is really cool, but the cut-line, where the hood meets grille seems to be too far back.
All of these cars with this trendy floating roof and blacked out C or D pillars are going to look like sh!t in 5 years, when the black paint/vinyl starts
to fade from black-to-gray-to-white.
 

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Looks significantly better than the old Leaf; no need to bring a bag to cover your head anymore. Range is almost there to fit my driving profile. Its a nice step forward.
 

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The detailing of the "grille" is really cool, but the cut-line, where the hood meets grille seems to be too far back.
That seemed odd to me too. Does this have a "frunk" like a Tesla? :confused:

Overall, the styling is much, much better than the outgoing model. I'm still not a fan of Nissan's current designs, but this ain't too bad.
 

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It doesn't seem to say anything about a liquid cooled battery. That said, Nissan did a TON of work after the fiasco with the first Leaf, so much so that they actually had an internal code name for the revised battery pack: the lizard pack. It was specifically designed after the complaints/lawsuit in Phoenix where cars were losing 20-30% of range per year due to the heat. Supposedly the lizard battery has resolved all the heat issues and honestly I haven't heard any complaints since.

The other thing is that the more capacity a pack has, the fewer cycles it will go through and the lower the C rate for charging and discharging. Basically the bigger the battery pack, the easier it is to deal with. This is part of why Tesla has never had problems, since almost all of their cars are sold with 70kwh and up. A few are 60, but even that is the minimum, where the first Leaf shipped with just 24kwh. Now that they're shipping with a base of 40kwh, that's up 67% from the original Leaf and 33% from the enhanced long range edition of the 1st gen car. It's just a lot less likely that you'll run into battery troubles the larger the pack is, and 40kwh is a pretty big pack by sub-$30k EV standards.

I'm not a fan of Nissan's current design language, but I do find this car slightly more attractive than the outgoing Leaf, and the 40kwh battery and Android Auto to be very attractive. If this thing depreciates as much as the first Leaf, then I may be picking up a 2018 Leaf in 2022 or so for $10k.
I don't know I had a coworker that had a 2014 under lease and he said it didn't seem to drive the same when it was around 0 degrees Fahrenheit where my Focus Electric had no issues (except half the range). While I think 150 miles is the sweet spot I would be very curious how of the mileage when it is 0 degrees Fahrenheit and how the battery pack handles it.

So far this is a huge step in the right direction for Nissan and I like the way it looks. I might have to check it out as it can handle 90% of the trips I would take and also has Android Auto which I want in all future cars I purchase!
 

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Pardon my dumb question, but for a claimed 150 mi range, with part highway (70 mph+) and part city driving, how much less range could one expect to get? Would it easily do 100 miles, for example?
 

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Still quite ugly. Why can't they just make a normal car, but electric?

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I don't follow. It looks like a normal hatchback...

Anyway, if I were in the market for an EV, this would make for an already choice. The exterior is a major improvement. The blue detailing in the nose is quite cool.
 

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Still kind of ugly but not nearly as bad as it was.

Sounds like a whole bunch of solid improvements were made, should be a pretty good car.
 

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Pardon my dumb question, but for a claimed 150 mi range, with part highway (70 mph+) and part city driving, how much less range could one expect to get? Would it easily do 100 miles, for example?
I California I think it would do it without any issues. In Chicago during the winter it might have some issues achieving that range although I'm curious how well the hybrid heater or whatever they call it works when it is really cold outside.

I'm debating on putting off the SUV purchase to get one these for most of my driving.
 
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