Re: AQnyone make a Turbo "kit" for a MK4 VR6? (cdog)
hpa makes a kit i think its like 7-8k
if thats any help
hpa makes a kit i think its like 7-8k
if thats any help
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Re: AQnyone make a Turbo "kit" for a MK4 VR6? (I_Fly_GTi)
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Re: AQnyone make a Turbo "kit" for a MK4 VR6? (I_Fly_GTi)
Actually there is a company which can blueprint the larger injectors for the MK4 (they always have ads on most automotive mags) and I'm 95% sure they have already done so for the MK4 VR6s (name escapes me now though...).
As far as which company is more knowledgeable... let's just say that from everything I've read / heard / seen, the Matrix people use ATP stuff, but they also use Garret Lim (GIAC) for the software... and I've seen the ATP kit posted on here a while back with many people commenting on the FPR being mounted wrong etc... plus at the time the kit was throwing a nice bunch of codes...
I have been told that buying direct from ATP is a bit cheaper, but generally you have to fine tune / do some adapting to their kits, while Matrix's stuff tends to be more out-of the box with most (if not all) the tuning already done by them on a dyno... As far as HPA... again I've heard of a bunch of probs with their firsts kits with the car stalling unexpectedly (maybe this has been fixed by now).
By reputation alone, and again by my experience on these boards + talk with people "in the know", I'm putting my buck on Matrix when they have the MK4 kit out for sale. And when VentoDan gets his act together and sells his version of a kit (hint.. hin..t hint... Vento if you are reading this
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) I'll put my buck on him!
Just my humble opinion tho'....
Actually there is a company which can blueprint the larger injectors for the MK4 (they always have ads on most automotive mags) and I'm 95% sure they have already done so for the MK4 VR6s (name escapes me now though...).
As far as which company is more knowledgeable... let's just say that from everything I've read / heard / seen, the Matrix people use ATP stuff, but they also use Garret Lim (GIAC) for the software... and I've seen the ATP kit posted on here a while back with many people commenting on the FPR being mounted wrong etc... plus at the time the kit was throwing a nice bunch of codes...
I have been told that buying direct from ATP is a bit cheaper, but generally you have to fine tune / do some adapting to their kits, while Matrix's stuff tends to be more out-of the box with most (if not all) the tuning already done by them on a dyno... As far as HPA... again I've heard of a bunch of probs with their firsts kits with the car stalling unexpectedly (maybe this has been fixed by now).
By reputation alone, and again by my experience on these boards + talk with people "in the know", I'm putting my buck on Matrix when they have the MK4 kit out for sale. And when VentoDan gets his act together and sells his version of a kit (hint.. hin..t hint... Vento if you are reading this
Just my humble opinion tho'....
Re: AQnyone make a Turbo "kit" for a MK4 VR6? (VRSICK)
I am currently in the market for one as well. I've found that yes, HPA has one, but its $$$$
for the more budget oriented(and probably where i'll be going) will be either matrix engeenering(sp?), and ATP.
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I called both companies and asked them about both kits, to try and compare, since they both cost ABOUT the same, in the $3k range, and both gets you similar BHP results, but ATP seems to be a little more knowledgable, and seems to know alot more about the product, compared to MATRIX.
ATP CALL:
"Yes, our kit includes all components necesary, such as piping, fitings, injectors, software, turbo manifolds, bov, everything that will get you the turbo vr6 up and running"
-Now thats what I like to hear, plus he also quoted me a 230-240BHP (non intercooled!) and I forgot his name........
MATRIX CALL:
"Yes, our manafold has a little different design than the atp kit, it lets the turbo sit a little farther away from the plastic intake manafold(good point), and the kit for the mk4 will take some extra stuff to get it running(Oh boy)" "Like what?" "Well, you will need to buy some more injecters, downpipe from turbo, 3"cat addon, etc. all said and done, it will be 3499, or more......."
By the way, he told me 225 BHP, and his name was josh....
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VRSICK,
<No flames here>
Hmmm.....I'm assuming that you're referring to our stage 1 kit since you mentioned that the cost is around $2995. But from what you wrote, I find it very hard to believe that you spoke with either Josh or myself. I'm not calling you a liar, but I just find it hard to believe. Reason being?: "you will need to buy some more injecters, downpipe from turbo, 3"cat addon, etc."![]()
As everyone knows, all of our kits include EVERYTHING you need--that's what makes our kits "kits" instead of just a bunch of components. What this means is that our kits include a 3" SS downpipe. As well, we include injectors in our stage 1 kit. (AFAIK noone is making a larger air shrouded injector yet.) Moreover, a 3" high flow cat is included in our 3" SS exhausts. There's no reason we would recommend a 3" cat b/c most people are running a TT 2.5" exhaust.
Also, our stage 1 kits do about 230WHP, not BHP.
Just so there is no confusion, here are the NEW specs on our Mk3 kits(pricing will be finalized soon---as well, the Mk4 kits will be very similar):
OBD II G/J VR6 Stg I Turbo Specifications
Turbonetics performance TO4
Custom cast iron exhaust manifold
T-304 stainless downpipe
Racegate wastegate
All inlet and boost tubes
Silicone couplers
Oil lines
Oil pan with oil return fitting and new gasket
Bosch spark plugs
Balanced and blueprinted injectors
Recalibrated MAF
Bosch high-flow fuel pump
Bosch fuel pressure regulator
Bosch bypass valve(BPV)
Proprietary GIAC software to control all fueling and timing
OBD I/II and Golf/Jetta/Corrado III, IV
CARB exemption pending
265BHP @ 6.5PSI
$TBD 6 to 8 hours to install
Recommended upgrades:
Techtonics 2.5” or Matrix 3” turbo exhaust
VR6 Stg II Turbo Specifications
Above mentioned Stg I components as well as the following:
Intercooler with all plumbing
TurboXS type H25 racing bypass valve
Revised GIAC software
Off road use only
Approx. 310BHP @ 9PSI (dyno testing pending with our new manifold)
$TBD 10 to 12 hours to install
Recommended upgrades:
APEXi Super AVC-R Boost Controller
Techtonics 2.5” or Matrix 3” turbo exhaust
VR6 Stg III Turbo Specifications
Above mentioned Stg II components as well as the following:
JE Forged lightweight 8.5:1 CR pistons
Raceware head studs
Revised GIAC software
Off road use only
Approx. 375BHP @ 14.5PSI (dyno testing results not available yet)
$TBD 30 to 32 hours to install
Recommended upgrades:
APEXi Super AVC-R Boost Controller
Techtonics 2.5” or Matrix 3” turbo exhaust
MaaloxRacer,
For the record, we DO NOT resell ATP's stuff. We bought a VR6 manifold from them back in the day but since it puts the turbine housing 1/4" away from the plastic throttle cam on the throttle body and with it, A/C is an incredible PITA, we decided not to use it.
Our kits come to you 100% complete and dialed-in. You will not have to tune it yourself--we've done all of the homework for you on our in-house chassis dyno.
If there are any questions about our products, please don't hesitate to write:
[email protected]
Best regards,
Jeremy
Re: AQnyone make a Turbo "kit" for a MK4 VR6? ([email protected])
Jeremy what are you doing for a higher flow injector?? Dan told me that as far as he knew there wasnt a higher flowing replacement. when I spoke to someone other thn you at Matrix he said something about an adapter, but than followed by saying,"We will make injectors if we must" I was impressed by that level of commitment. http://****************.com/smile/emthup.gif
Jeremy what are you doing for a higher flow injector?? Dan told me that as far as he knew there wasnt a higher flowing replacement. when I spoke to someone other thn you at Matrix he said something about an adapter, but than followed by saying,"We will make injectors if we must" I was impressed by that level of commitment. http://****************.com/smile/emthup.gif
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Re: AQnyone make a Turbo "kit" for a MK4 VR6? (sergevr6)
Sergevr6, I've ridden in the Matrix stage 2 red glx, and I think I must disagree with you, it definately IS NOT CRAP. And since the car actually runs right now, and is quite fast, maybe you shouldn't call Matrix stuff crap till you can back it up. Hopefully you'll be able to keep up with that glx, for it is undergoing a 24v 4motion stage3 turbo swap soon
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http://****************.com/smile/emthup.gif As for where I'll spend my $$, only one place I can think of, and it's in Tigard.............
Sergevr6, I've ridden in the Matrix stage 2 red glx, and I think I must disagree with you, it definately IS NOT CRAP. And since the car actually runs right now, and is quite fast, maybe you shouldn't call Matrix stuff crap till you can back it up. Hopefully you'll be able to keep up with that glx, for it is undergoing a 24v 4motion stage3 turbo swap soon
Re: AQnyone make a Turbo "kit" for a MK4 VR6? (sergevr6)
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Re: AQnyone make a Turbo "kit" for a MK4 VR6? (I_Fly_GTi)
We will make injectors if we have to.
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Jeremy
quote:[HR][/HR]Jeremy what are you doing for a higher flow injector?? Dan told me that as far as he knew there wasnt a higher flowing replacement. when I spoke to someone other thn you at Matrix he said something about an adapter, but than followed by saying,"We will make injectors if we must" I was impressed by that level of commitment. http://****************.com/smile/emthup.gif [HR][/HR]
Phill,We will make injectors if we have to.
Jeremy
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