[Crispyfritter]

Dodge is. MY 2020 Grand Caravan and the Journey cannot be registered in the 13 states that have California emissions laws.

That's crazy.

Chris

 

[worth_fixing]

lol

what a half-assed company

 

[chucchinchilla]

Aren't both those cars fleet only (i.e. rental car) at this point?

 

[Crispyfritter]

Aren't both those cars fleet only (i.e. rental car) at this point?

I don't think so.

Chris

 

[absoluteczech]

Dodge is. MY 2020 Grand Caravan and the Journey cannot be registered in the 13 states that have California emissions laws.


That's crazy.

Chris

I'm sure there is a PZEV or CA version....

 

[ByronLLN]

I'm sure there is a PZEV or CA version....

They may have disco'd it for 2020, but there are more than 150 brand-new 2019 Grand Caravans for sale in the greater Los Angeles area.

 

[Hostile]

Subaru use to sell non PZEV cars here in VA, as recently as 2012 that I know for sure. My '12 Outback came from a Maryland dealer so it was a PZEV. It was basically just a different catalytic converter.

 

[focusgroup1]

Doesn't matter even with those restrictions they will still sell a ton of them in the USA, Canada, Mexico and Central/South America.

Eventually the Feds are going to end those state specific regulations.

 

[Lifelong Obsession]

The Journey is only available with the 4-cylinder/4-speed-automatic configuration for 2020. :laugh:

173 hp, 19 city / 25 highway.

With the non-Mazda Toyota Yaris Liftback gone for 2020, is this the last car you can buy with a 4-speed automatic?

 

[adrew]

Nissan Frontier and Toyota 4Runner have 5-speed autos, but I can't think of any others (in the US).

 

[Jettavr666]

The Journey is only available with the 4-cylinder/4-speed-automatic configuration for 2020. :laugh:

173 hp, 19 city / 25 highway.

With the non-Mazda Toyota Yaris Liftback gone for 2020, is this the last car you can buy with a 4-speed automatic?

Im pretty certain its the last 4spd auto in the US. But really I'm SHOCKED they are still selling that.

 

[Ilikewaffles]

So what happens if you have one of these cars and move to CA, and eventually they try to force you to register your car there because your neighbors are snitches?

With my old modified STI; it was easy to just register to an out of state LLC and you can’t be forced to pretty much buy the car from the LLC; but I don’t think the average citizen.. specially a journey or caravan owner would go through that.

 

[VadGTI]

So what happens if you have one of these cars and move to CA, and eventually they try to force you to register your car there because your neighbors are snitches?

With my old modified STI; it was easy to just register to an out of state LLC and you can’t be forced to pretty much buy the car from the LLC; but I don’t think the average citizen.. specially a journey or caravan owner would go through that.

If it's a car with 7,500 miles or more or you fit into some exemptions (moving from another state, etc.), you're fine. Also, PZEV gets you some crazy CA warranties on "emissions" components (which includes a metric ****-ton of stuff) for 15 years or 150k miles, so owning a PZEV car is a huge benefit here.

Buying a Vehicle From Out of State - Can You Register It in California? (FFVR 29)
The Bottom Line
If you are a California resident and acquire a new car, truck, or motorcycle from another state, it must be certified to meet California smog laws to be registered in California. This includes certain diesel-powered vehicles. DMV cannot accept an application to register a vehicle in California that does not qualify for registration (California Health and Safety Code §§43150 - 43156).

What is Considered a New Vehicle?
California considers any vehicle with less than 7,500 miles on the odometer at the time of purchase or trade by a California resident or business, to be a new vehicle. This is true whether or not the vehicle has been registered in another state.

Aren't All Vehicles California Certified?
Not all new vehicles are manufactured to be sold in California. Many manufacturers make vehicles to be sold only in the other 49 states. These vehicles (49-state) are made with smog equipment that meets federal emission standards, but not California standards. California-certified (50-state) vehicles are made to be sold in California.

Check the Label
To find out whether a car, truck, or motorcycle is California certified, check the emission label under the hood. For a motorcycle, check the frame or refer to your owner' s manual for the location. The label should read that the vehicle conforms to California regulations, or that it is legal for sale in California.

Exemptions
There are a few exemptions to the law. As a California resident, you may be able to register a 49-state vehicle if it was:

- Obtained as part of a divorce, inheritance, or legal separation settlement.
- Purchased to replace your California-registered vehicle that was stolen while you were using the vehicle out-of-state.
- Purchased to replace your California-registered vehicle that was destroyed or made inoperative beyond reasonable repair while you were using the vehicle out of state.
- An emergency vehicle, pursuant to California Vehicle Code § §27156.2 and 27156.3.
- Registered by you in the state of your last active military service outside California.
- A street motorcycle or motor-driven cycle year model 2005 and older, with an engine less than 50 cubic centimeters (cc) displacement. Beginning January 1, 2006, street motorcycles and motor-driven cycles year model 2006 and newer, with engines less than 50 cc displacement, require an emission label certifying them to meet U.S. Environmental Protection Agency emission regulations, and may be registered regardless of mileage.

Does This Apply to Someone Moving to California?
If you are moving to California from another state, you may register a new 49-state vehicle if it was first registered by you in your home state, or for military personnel, in the last state of your military service. When applying for vehicle registration in California, you must provide evidence that the vehicle was registered.

Vehicles Purchased From Out of the Country (Grey Market)
California has special requirements for vehicles imported from other countries (including Canada and Mexico). It may be very costly or impossible to modify these vehicles to meet California emission requirements and/or federal motor vehicle safety standards (FMVSS). No direct import vehicle less than two years old can be converted to California emission standards. Not all direct import vehicles over two years old can be converted to California emission standards and FMVSS. No motorcycle or diesel-powered vehicle can be converted to California emission standards. For details, contact the California Air Resources Board (ARB).

 

[Iroczgirl]

Seriously? Holy cow.

 

[ImpeccableNEW]

Do any retail buyers purchase the Journey it wasnt all that competitve when it came out and now its Ollldddd. Reliability was also not that great from the begining

Caravan seems up to date in comparison

 

[Mike!]

Bit of an explanation on both of those,

The Journey is made in Mexico, and sold there too, where it doesn’t have to meet California (& co) emissions. The old 4 cylinder (is it Tigershark or the older “World” engine? I can’t remember) and 4-speed “Autostick” works well to keep the starting price down there.

The Grand Caravan is the long-running staple of Windsor, Ontario, Canada, where despite the standard Pentastar and 6-speed auto it stickers under $20k USD for the base model. It was actually one of the best selling vehicles in Canada for years largely due to the value proposition, though the equally-Canadian Rav4 and CR-V have caught up significantly. Canada and the US have a lot of synced motor vehicle standards, but typically Canada’s in line with US federal emissions and not California ones.

Net effect is there’s probably no drawback to them offering the Journey and Caravan in the red states when they’re still making them anyway.

 

[2 doors]

Edit. Nevermind.

 

[spockcat]

Last year when I was verifying that the 2018 Volt my son was buying would be able to registered in CA, I came across a PDF from GM to dealers that said all their cars would meet CA emissions. I think the PDF was from 2016 or earlier.

 

[forewheel]

lol

what a half-assed state

Fixed it for you.... California is it's own worst enemy.

 

[worth_fixing]

Fixed it for you.... California is it's own worst enemy.

i don't agree.