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Bicycles no longer required to stop at stop signs in Minnesota

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Why does it seem like cyclists get preferred treatment over automobiles when it comes to this kind of thing? If I treated stop signs as yield signs in my automobile I'd get pulled over all the time. They want to share the road with cars but then they want special treatment, seems like they should have to follow the same rules.


Furthermore, some feds are trying to make this kind of thing a federal law.


What thinks TCL?
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Guess I'm no longer required to stop and help when I run one over, then.
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I would prefer a enforcement of texting/etc laws. At first think I am OK with the change but there does need to be an enforcement of the yield rule. Easier said than done (see texting laws)
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I'm kind of in the "who cares?" camp, since cyclists are doing this anyway, and (for the most part) getting away with it.
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Why does it seem like cyclists get preferred treatment over automobiles when it comes to this kind of thing? If I treated stop signs as yield signs in my automobile I'd get pulled over all the time. They want to share the road with cars but then they want special treatment, seems like they should have to follow the same rules.


Furthermore, some feds are trying to make this kind of thing a federal law.


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I think...

... it's much better idea than allowing performance car owners to buy a get out of jail card to drive recklessly.
... there are much, much, much bigger safety issues on the road to get angry about than cyclists being allowed to roll through stop signs thousands of miles away from you.
... bikes travel at much lower speeds than cars, and are much less dangerous than cars, so this is fine.

I already do this on my road bike. Knock on wood no incidents yet.
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I think...

... it's much better idea than allowing performance car owners to buy a get out of jail card to drive recklessly.
... there are much, much, much bigger safety issues on the road to get angry about than cyclists being allowed to roll through stop signs thousands of miles away from you.
... bikes travel at much lower speeds than cars, and are much less dangerous than cars, so this is fine.

I already do this on my road bike. Knock on wood no incidents yet.
Seems that we see a cyclist hit on purpose about once a week by someone angry in a car, locally. Laws like this have the potential to be a good thing overall, but only act as fuel to those who already have an issue with cyclists.
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I already do this on my road bike. Knock on wood no incidents yet.
It depends on the situation, but I typically stop. If it's the middle of nowhere and there are no cars and good visibility, I'll slow roll it. I treat empty red lights as stop signs as well, because those rarely work for cyclists. I get the idea though, I guess. It's hard to get that Strava KOM if you keep stopping. But think of the interval training you'd lose out on. Man. What to do? WHAT TO DO?
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Seems that we see a cyclist hit on purpose about once a week by someone angry in a car, locally. Laws like this have the potential to be a good thing overall, but only act as fuel to those who already have an issue with cyclists.
That comes back to my broader issue of non-enforcement. ****'s getting worse on American roads because drivers know they can do whatever they want basically without consequence, including run over cyclists. I think there would be a lot less road rage and animosity on the roads if everybody knew everyone else was being held accountable.
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Because it's easier for the cyclist and often times they're going slow enough for it to not matter, and/or there are no cars around. I don't think they're getting special treatment; the lawmakers are just making sensible laws.

Personally, if there are other cars at the stop sign, I will stop and act like a car, but generally, I'll slow roll it. The same with stop lights. I have ridden with roadies that will just blow through red lights at busy intersections at 20+mph though, but I have no idea how they're still surviving with that bad habit.

I think there would be a lot less road rage and animosity on the roads if everybody knew everyone else was being held accountable.
Garmin makes a rear mounted radar light + camera now, but it only helps if the state requires a front plate.
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I have ridden with roadies that will just blow through busy intersections at 20+mph though, but I have no idea how they're still surviving with that bad habit.
I have absolutely no idea how these people survive.
Itt: people sitting in climate controlled cages can’t fathom waiting 3 seconds for a cyclist to go through an intersection.

For the drivers opposed to privileged cyclists, roads for cars are much more expensive, exclusionary, and dangerous than paths for bikes. Fuel tax and registration also don’t even come close to paying for ‘car infrastructure.’

Pedestrians also have priority right of way over motorists, yet how many of you actually stop for pedestrians? Criminals, the lot of you.

Seems like you’re the privileged ones!
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Itt: people sitting in climate controlled cages can’t fathom waiting 3 seconds for a cyclist to go through an intersection.

For the drivers opposed to privileged cyclists, roads for cars are much more expensive, exclusionary, and dangerous than paths for bikes. Fuel tax and registration also don’t even come close to paying for ‘car infrastructure.’

Pedestrians also have priority right of way over motorists, yet how many of you actually stop for pedestrians? Criminals, the lot of you.

Seems like you’re the privileged ones!
Driving is a privilege, yes.
I have a decent early 2000s aluminum DiamondBack but I am too scared to ride it on DFW surface streets. I grew up on the coast where there was a network of bike paths you could get around on, so it's always been kind of a bummer after moving here. We're planning a move to a place that is connected to the park and trail system so I can ride without having to get on the road first, kind of excited about it.
Why does it seem like cyclists get preferred treatment over automobiles when it comes to this kind of thing? If I treated stop signs as yield signs in my automobile I'd get pulled over all the time. They want to share the road with cars but then they want special treatment, seems like they should have to follow the same rules.


Furthermore, some feds are trying to make this kind of thing a federal law.


What thinks TCL?
There are good reasons for preferred treatment:

1) In general, the more vulnerable road user gets preferential treatment. Heavy trucks should yield to passenger vehicles, motor vehicles should yield to pedestrians, cars should yield to motorcycles. Cyclists should yield to pedestrians.

2) A bicycle poses far less danger to others, especially in areas where there is little pedestrian traffic. If a cyclist hits a car, the cyclist is going to lose every time. The "full stop" requirement for stop signs is intended to protect pedestrians and other road users.

3) Cyclists accelerate much more slowly than cars. Requiring them to come to a full stop delays cars and other road users unnecessarily.

4) Enforcement is already non-existent, and most cyclists roll stop signs anyways. If a cyclist is ticketed for rolling a stop sign, it's almost always related to a pretextual stop. In general, pretextual stops are bad policy.

The fact of the matter is that different vehicles have vastly different characteristics and can't realistically be required to follow the same rules to a T. We already have other examples of differentiation for different vehicle types. There are certain road rules that apply only to heavy trucks (for example, lower speed limits or prohibitions against left lane usage).

The key here is that cyclists should still YIELD at stop signs if there is other traffic. Personally, I will roll through a stop sign if there is no traffic around (with a careful look first), but I will yield/stop as necessary if there is other traffic.
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Why does it seem like cyclists get preferred treatment over automobiles
Ride your bike in any city center at 5:30pm and see how preferred you feel after.
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This actually keeps traffic moving. If a cyclist had to come to a complete stop, they'd take a lot more time clipping back in, getting rolling again, upshifting as they accelerate back to speed, etc. All of their momentum will have been lost. It's worse if it's an uphill grade, since then it's much harder to get going again. Meanwhile, with good sight lines and no cross traffic, a cyclist can treat that intersection as a yield and keep going. It is a far more efficient way to keep things moving. Traffic lights are even worse. I run reds in the country all of the time, specifically because I don't have enough mass to trip the light. I could sit there alll day waiting for a car to show up behind me.

So much aggravation could be solved if roads just had 6' shoulders. That's where I prefer to ride. Every time. And Waze/Google has made things so much worse on us, since now overflow traffic is appearing on the sleepy little backroads that I used to specifically seek out.
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Why does it seem like cyclists get preferred treatment over automobiles when it comes to this kind of thing? If I treated stop signs as yield signs in my automobile I'd get pulled over all the time. They want to share the road with cars but then they want special treatment, seems like they should have to follow the same rules.


Furthermore, some feds are trying to make this kind of thing a federal law.


What thinks TCL?

i think reading up on the conservation of energy will help all TCL’rs understand a cyclist, no matter how hipster, kitted, or wheelie-holding, poses absolutely no threat to your person, beyond an automobile pilot’s perceived superiority and preferential access and utilization of public space over all other humans
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The key here is that cyclists should still YIELD at stop signs if there is other traffic. Personally, I will roll through a stop sign if there is no traffic around (with a careful look first), but I will yield/stop as necessary if there is other traffic.
Exactly. I stop riding with the guys who blow through stop signs, cutting off cars. That's the behavior that gets people killed.
So much aggravation could be solved if roads just had 6' shoulders. That's where I prefer to ride. Every time. And Waze/Google has made things so much worse on us, since now overflow traffic is appearing on the sleepy little backroads that I used to specifically seek out.
I would love wider shoulders but realistically that's a lot of asphalt that wouldn't get much use. And traffic is overflowing because there are just more cars/people on the roads. I'm thankful to have 2-3 roads nearby that are ideal for traffic even though they are only 2-4 mile stretches I have to do loops on.
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I would love wider shoulders but realistically that's a lot of asphalt that wouldn't get much use. And traffic is overflowing because there are just more cars/people on the roads. I'm thankful to have 2-3 roads nearby that are ideal for traffic even though they are only 2-4 mile stretches I have to do loops on.
I'm mainly talking about semi-rural areas. There are plenty of roads on the west side of my county that don't have a ton of traffic volume, but more than makes me comfortable when the speed limit is 50mph. That means people actually do 65+ on them. Give me a shoulder, and I'd be able to use it for short stretches, rather than crafting a route that tries to avoid it at all costs.

I could argue how our approach to urban and suburban transportation infrastructure is completely flawed, with more roads not being the answer, but that's a completely separate discussion.
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