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Lol. No I can't. At least not in terms you would understand. But the sales numbers vs others cars will be proof enough. I can guarantee most people will buy a cx-30 over this if they were looking at Mazda.
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Try me. I've driven and owned a wide range of cars. I've had a W20 MR-2, an E46 M3, a couple of CBR600RRs, a Golf R, ND Miata, a Genesis G90, among other cars. There's a few BMWs (X5M and X7) and Porsches (Cayenne and 987.2) in my immediate family. My doctoral supervisor drove a 991 and I had quite a bit of seat time in his. I also drove the FK2 Type-R, RC-F and Supra at Mosport. I'm open to discussion.
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And I got a ride in a black Countach with white/peachy colored leather seats when I was 8. That does not make me an expert on supercars.
Nonetheless you missed the hint in my previous post-- a car like the CX-30 is a better value than it's sedan counterpart especially with the demand of CUV's these days. That makes the sedan version overpriced 😕
So...your position is that "you couldn't explain in terms I would understand" as to why the Mazda 3 2.5 T is overpriced, despite me having a breadth of experience with vehicles beyond the Mazda 3; you really have no explanation? Oh, and that it's overpriced because people prefer CUVs, never mind that is not the market the Mazda 3 is targeting or competing in, at all? Okay then, got it.
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Here.. You have $35,000 to buy a vehicle You may share why the small Mazda 3 sedan would be your choice at 35k over everything else out there.
Yes, $35,000 USD is a crowded price point, but you didn't give me a list of preferences or needs. I could easily say the answer to that question is a base F-150. Regardless, you still haven't substantiated why you think it's overpriced (beyond badge or some nebulous comparisons to vehicles outside its segment). Recall, you asserted it's overpriced. The onus is not on me to prove the price is fair, despite the effort I expended to show it was very competitive for its price point.
PS> Still waiting for the terms I wouldn't understand.
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How is it over-priced when you compare apple to apple in terms of features which are optional on the premium brands? A comparable A3 is $10K more, which is not an insignificant difference.
Granted, for that $10K you get a better powertrain, and the brand, etc. But the point is that $10K is a lot, and thus puts that A3 out of reach for a buyer who's looking at spending under $35K tops (assuming MSRP figures, for a fair comparison).
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Pricing on the Mazda3 is fine. They should go after a higher price point.
It’s overrated because car media and internetters often speak like the overall package of the car is in a different hemisphere than other ~$30k compact sedans, hatchbacks, and wagons, and it simply is not. It’s a good car with strengths and weaknesses like all cars, and there are plenty of arguments to spend that money on something else.
It’s overrated because car media and internetters often speak like the overall package of the car is in a different hemisphere than other ~$30k compact sedans, hatchbacks, and wagons, and it simply is not. It’s a good car with strengths and weaknesses like all cars, and there are plenty of arguments to spend that money on something else.
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My disagreement with 'unhappymeal' and many alike-- I perceive the need for this small sedan in today's market. I am not matching it feature-for-power against other car manufacturers. Notice that there is not another small awd sedan from it's immediate competitors.
Because firstly, the sedan market is dying. Second, there are some great deals during this pandemic. There are a ton of great CUV's for the same price. Someone suggested a Rav 4 with 300hp and AWD at the same price range. No one will buy this small Mazda if that kind of deal exists.
3. There is no difference in interior from the base to premium. Yes you get many other amenities but most of that people do not need. The awd is a $1,400 option. The rest of $8,600 is not justified in my opinion or needed by most.
I like small sedans and it may be perfect for someone such as myself but I don't think Mazda will sell many. At $30k fully loaded it would be a bargain, especially because their own CUV the cx-30 is priced at $33k full tilt. It has the least cargo space and backseat space amongst it's competitors. These are the reason I find it overpriced for a small Mazda sedan.
One more time- I love it. I like that it has air/to water intercooler. I like the torque vectoring i-active AWD. I think the interior is incredible. But I do not think they will sell at 33k. They haven't been selling. The 3 series from Mazda has been down 46.6 percent since 2019 and giving the people a more expensive version is not the fix.
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I think reliability has to factor in to this equation. The Audi buyer is probably leasing and ditching the car. If you don’t swap vehicles often, I think the Mazda gets a leg up. The skyactive drivetrain is bulletproof. The interior on our 2014 CX-5 is aging remarkably well. I wouldn’t normally keep a car past 5 years, but I have zero desire to replace our 7 year old Mazda. It’s the most reliable vehicle I’ve ever owned. Not a single fault.
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Either the base Mazda3 is a steal at $20k or this one that is almost 70% more than the base priced one is a terrible deal, I can't really tell from the article which is which although I'm guessing the base model being a steal is the more likely scenario.
Also what is up with the skidpad results, will better tires fix that or is the suspension just that bad? Braking performance is pretty underwhelming as well with its tiny rotors and those tires.
Also what is up with the skidpad results, will better tires fix that or is the suspension just that bad? Braking performance is pretty underwhelming as well with its tiny rotors and those tires.
Never mind the fact that you can get this as a hatch, we already pointed out the A3, which Mazda is targeting. Your assertion that there is no difference in interior from Base to Premium is absurd. To whit:
There is nothing in your post to substantiate why you think it is overpriced other them some nebulous "sedans are dying and people will spend that money on CUVs". Um, duh, the entire market is going in that direction for every brand, it doesn't make this car overpriced. Anyways, it's clear that you will not discuss in good faith, so I'm done with you.unhappymeal said:
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Pretty much what you're thinking. In the case of the 3 series, it started losing sales when they had a $4,500 increase in price vs the competition. We can appreciate the overhaul but the majority of the public did not. I hate that we are losing short wheelbase sedans to CUV's.
Iirc, Mazda sold roughly 26,000 cars last year and only 2,600 of them were the Mazda 3. The hatchback was the better seller out of the two.
It doesn't have to be like this. You could have the filet-o-fish if you only choose to see it on the menu.
Anyways. That was a proper 4 day binge on the forums but I am back to work today. I would like to think I made more internet friends than enemies. But if you consider yourself the latter, know that if we ever got into a fight with a group of hobos, I would have your back. To shield myself while you have your face mauled.
Mazda3 overpriced? In some trim levels, it is underpriced if anything.
What are "premium proportions"?
Not the ones found on a CX-5, if nothing else. My wife's tiny A-class has a larger prestige gap than a CX-5.
Skip the turbo and the fully spec’d Mazda 3 is cheaper than all of the Japanese competition except the Sentra.
Mazda 3 Premium FWD: $27,795
Honda Civic Touring: $29,295
Toyota Corolla XSE: $28.985
It also has the following features unavailable on the Civic and Corolla: Heads up display, memory seats and a 12 speaker stereo.
Option in AWD which is unavailable in the Civic and Corolla and the Mazda 3 is almost exactly the same price, slightly cheaper than the FWD Civic and slightly more than the FWD Corolla.
Base Mazda 3 Turbo Sedan MSRP is $30,845. It is not overpriced. For $1800 more than a Civic Touring you get almost 100 more hp, double the torque, AWD, a normal 6 speed automatic, better interior materials, more features, etc. This is before you even compare it to cars like the A3, A class, 228i which are FAR more expensive.
Mazda 3 Premium FWD: $27,795
Honda Civic Touring: $29,295
Toyota Corolla XSE: $28.985
It also has the following features unavailable on the Civic and Corolla: Heads up display, memory seats and a 12 speaker stereo.
Option in AWD which is unavailable in the Civic and Corolla and the Mazda 3 is almost exactly the same price, slightly cheaper than the FWD Civic and slightly more than the FWD Corolla.
Base Mazda 3 Turbo Sedan MSRP is $30,845. It is not overpriced. For $1800 more than a Civic Touring you get almost 100 more hp, double the torque, AWD, a normal 6 speed automatic, better interior materials, more features, etc. This is before you even compare it to cars like the A3, A class, 228i which are FAR more expensive.
I'd sure hope so, considering it's 4" longer.
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