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No way this goes into effect. We can’t even keep the power on when it gets hot for a few days.

https://www.politico.com/states/cal...ia-ban-on-new-gas-fueled-cars-by-2035-1317947

SACRAMENTO — Gov. Gavin Newsom is calling for California to ban new gasoline-fueled vehicles within 15 years in a bid to combat climate change and make the state the first in the nation to stop sales of cars with internal combustion engines.

The Democratic governor on Wednesday signed an executive order that directs the California Air Resources Board to establish regulations requiring that all new cars and passenger trucks sold in California in 2035 be zero-emission vehicles.

California has long been a leader on fuel economy, forcing automakers to build more efficient vehicles than required by federal standards. The Golden State is the world's fifth-largest economy, with more than half of its emissions stemming from the transportation sector, so the move is expected to significantly help reduce tailpipe pollution from vehicles with internal combustion engines.

The move comes as California experiences historic wildfires that have consumed more than 3.6 million acres this year already. Newsom has repeatedly emphasized the role of climate change in driving the fires, while Republicans have focused on a need to better manage forests in the state.

"We are marking a new course," Newsom said in a press conference in front of electric vehicles at the state fairgrounds in Sacramento. "We are setting a new marker. We're advancing the cause, with the support of the California Air Resources Board, to once again lead not only this nation but in many respects lead the world."

The ban on gas-powered vehicles is likely to face opposition from automakers and Republican leaders in Washington, who have already battled the state over its stricter fuel economy rules. The Trump administration is fighting the state in court over whether it can set stricter emissions standards than the nation as a whole.

California Business Roundtable President Rob Lapsley said in an interview that the "radical step" to ban internal combustion engines "makes no sense" and is a rushed decision, with no guarantee of affordability for many who live in an already-expensive state.
 

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So that's when the Motor Law finally goes into effect?

 

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Ain't worried.

It's a goal. If it works, fine. If it turns out to be unfeasible, it'll be changed.
 

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Sounds like it would be challenged in court also. I would imagine the Governor / CARB doesn't have the authority to outright ban ICE without the legislature passing a law but I'm as far removed from west coast politics as is possible.
 

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This either turns out to be completely unworkable, in which they’ll roll it back, or completely unnecessary, in which case no one will even notice.

If the tech in the Tesla Plaid comes true, 500+ miles of range and crazy speed, plus 15 years of cost advancements, I could see where no one wants an ICE car anymore except as a collector vehicle. It would be like outlawing non-smart phones today; only a few oddball curmudgeons would even notice.
 

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This either turns out to be completely unworkable, in which they’ll roll it back, or completely unnecessary, in which case no one will even notice.

If the tech in the Tesla Plaid comes true, 500+ miles of range and crazy speed, plus 15 years of cost advancements, I could see where no one wants an ICE car anymore except as a collector vehicle. It would be like outlawing non-smart phones today; only a few oddball curmudgeons would even notice.
The ONLY reason we're in this position now is because Tesla basically said "f it" and went for the moon with EV technology.

Frankly, I am all for a little regulatory support to get the rest of the industry off its @$$ and get in the game.

To this day, I only consider Tesla to produce proper, workable EVs and provide the necessary infrastructure to enable it. The Germans are still dragging @$$ on this, and of the domestic carmakers, only GM has made a decent run at the tech....and is wasting those opportunities currently.

If they put this in place and then they are forced to roll it back, at least there is an effort to goad the laggards (which is to say basically everyone who ISN'T Tesla). I don't think it will happen though, so I consider this to be a no brainer that will encourage more vehicle development.

I get it, you hate any and all regulation, but I see value in it and Cali is the only place that that regulation will fly.
 

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Serious layman question...why not go after small engines first? They pollute just as bad.

Much less of a strain on the electric infrastructure and can be implemented way quicker than EVs.

In the early 2020s, however, total smog-forming emissions from small engines are projected to exceed those from passenger cars in the South Coast Air Basin because passenger car emissions will continue to decrease. By 2031, small engine emissions will be more than twice those from passenger cars.
Source: CA themselves https://ww2.arb.ca.gov/resources/fact-sheets/small-engines-california#:~:text=The%20California%20Air%20Resources%20Board,were%20before%20the%20program%20began.

PG&E can declare bankruptcy a few more times between now and then.
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The ONLY reason we're in this position now is because Tesla basically said "f it" and went for the moon with EV technology.

Frankly, I am all for a little regulatory support to get the rest of the industry off its @$$ and get in the game.

To this day, I only consider Tesla to produce proper, workable EVs and provide the necessary infrastructure to enable it. The Germans are still dragging @$$ on this, and of the domestic carmakers, only GM has made a decent run at the tech....and is wasting those opportunities currently.

If they put this in place and then they are forced to roll it back, at least there is an effort to goad the laggards (which is to say basically everyone who ISN'T Tesla). I don't think it will happen though, so I consider this to be a no brainer that will encourage more vehicle development.

I get it, you hate any and all regulation, but I see value in it and Cali is the only place that that regulation will fly.
I do hate regulation, because I think it’s unnecessary and lags the market. Arguably the most aspirational (car) brand in the country, possibly the world, is Tesla and they did it with a superior product*. And others are coming, whether it’s the traditional carmakers or new entrants. I don’t object to a 100% (or really, 90%, we’ll probably always need some sort of ICE or hybrid stuff for certain applications) EV fleet, I think it will be fine.

I just think this particular regulation is going to end up being silly and virtue-signally; either because it is premature and against natural market forces, or because it’s wildly unnecessary. We didn’t need to ban the landline to make people see the cell phone was a superior choice for most applications.


*yes there are some incentives, but I don’t believe they sell $50-150k Teslas because the government gives you $2500-7500 off. The things would sell on their own, as evidenced through increased sales even as the incentive has depreciated and expired.
 

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Serious layman question...why not go after small engines first? They pollute just as bad.

Much less of a strain on the infrastructure and can be implemented way quicker than EVs



Source: CA themselves https://ww2.arb.ca.gov/resources/fact-sheets/small-engines-california#:~:text=The%20California%20Air%20Resources%20Board,were%20before%20the%20program%20began.



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Agreed. Drives me nuts to hear the neighbors fire up their two-stroke noise makers to mow/trim their 0.2 acre lots.
 

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Serious layman question...why not go after small engines first? They pollute just as bad.

Much less of a strain on the infrastructure and can be implemented way quicker than EVs



Source: CA themselves https://ww2.arb.ca.gov/resources/fact-sheets/small-engines-california#:~:text=The%20California%20Air%20Resources%20Board,were%20before%20the%20program%20began.



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I'm all for banning gas powered leaf blowers. Next door neighbor often has them going at 7AM :banghead:
 

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Agreed. Drives me nuts to hear the neighbors fire up their two-stroke noise makers to mow/trim their 0.2 acre lots.
If only Ryobi made a cordless mower that was up to the task of mowing a small lawn on one battery and without bogging down after a few minutes of use. I use a gas mower for my smallish front and back lawns, I’ve bought 1 gallon of gas for it in the last year and a half lol.
 

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Oh for crying out loud, California isn't even supposed to have lawns. They had to import them all in the first place. :laugh:
 

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If only Ryobi made a cordless mower that was up to the task of mowing a small lawn on one battery and without bogging down after a few minutes of use. I use a gas mower for my smallish front and back lawns, I’ve bought 1 gallon of gas for it in the last year and a half lol.
I get 5 mows out of one Ryobi battery. I'm pretty sure I can get an entire season out of two charges of the string trimmer.
 

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If only Ryobi made a cordless mower that was up to the task of mowing a small lawn on one battery and without bogging down after a few minutes of use. I use a gas mower for my smallish front and back lawns, I’ve bought 1 gallon of gas for it in the last year and a half lol.
They do. I mow a half acre with this:

https://www.homedepot.com/p/RYOBI-2...96OhCavgT5TBXQvKKqRoChi4QAvD_BwE&gclsrc=aw.ds

Takes two batteries, but a small 1/4 acre lawn should be fine with one.
 

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If only Ryobi made a cordless mower that was up to the task of mowing a small lawn on one battery and without bogging down after a few minutes of use. I use a gas mower for my smallish front and back lawns, I’ve bought 1 gallon of gas for it in the last year and a half lol.
If small enough, a reel mower will work. I have one and it works well, but you have to keep on top of it as the reel mower struggles with long grass.
 

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I'm all for banning gas powered leaf blowers. Next door neighbor often has them going at 7AM :banghead:
Gas powered lawn mowers too.

Our neighbour has a Husqvarna robo mower and it is whisper quiet. :thumbup::thumbup::thumbup:
 
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