Car and Driver's 2002 10 Best List

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Hajduk

Discussion Starter · Nov 30, 2001

Acura RSX
Audi A4
BMW 3-Series/M3
BMW 5-Series
Chevrolet Corvette
Ford Focus
Honda Accord
Honda S2000
Porsche Boxster
Subaru Imperza WRX
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I can see why they chose each of those except the Accord. I mean, the magazine is called Car and Driver afterall. The Accord is the only non-driver's car or the bunch.

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USER

· #2 · Nov 30, 2001

Re: Car and Driver's 2002 10 Best List (Hajduk)

I don't agree at all with your conclusion. They didn't agree either. Three Honda products. I am a bit surprised to see the RSX and the loss of the Miata.
From them, it takes either some guts or money(!!!?) to put the Accord there.

I am obviously biased.

But I think the Accord belongs to that list.

[Modified by USER, 8:31 AM 11-30-2001]

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Obin Robinson

· #3 · Nov 30, 2001

Re: Car and Driver's 2002 10 Best List (Hajduk)

holy freaking no way?!?!?!? i'm amazed that Car and Driver picked more than 1 foreign car for their any of their "10 best" lists!!!!!
i wonder if they stopped getting kickbacks from detroit and dearborn?

obin

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DownShift

· #4 · Nov 30, 2001

Re: Car and Driver's 2002 10 Best List (Obin Robinson)

WHAT?!
No Pontiac Aztek on the list? How could that be

??

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DCS

· #5 · Nov 30, 2001

Re: Car and Driver's 2002 10 Best List (Obin Robinson)

quote:[HR][/HR]holy freaking no way?!?!?!? i'm amazed that Car and Driver picked more than 1 foreign car for their any of their "10 best" lists!!!!!
i wonder if they stopped getting kickbacks from detroit and dearborn?

obin[HR][/HR]

are you being sarcastic?

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[email protected]

· #6 · Nov 30, 2001

Re: Car and Driver's 2002 10 Best List (Obin Robinson)

Ummm, I don't think you have been paying attention. Audis, BMWs, Mazdas, Porsches, Toyotas, Nissans, and Hondas have been showing up in large quantites on this list for the ten years I've been reading the magazine.

Obin Robinson

· #7 · Nov 30, 2001

Re: Car and Driver's 2002 10 Best List (DCS)

quote:[HR][/HR]
are you being sarcastic?

[HR][/HR]

not really. every time i pick up the magazine i think [American] Car and [v8-engined] Driver. they have some good journalists, but their tilt is so domestic that they seem to judge everything upon it's ability to go fast in a straight line for a quarter mile.
that said, i read every other car magazine except [non-foreign]Motor [what's new in Detroit] Trend
obin

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Instrument 37

· #8 · Nov 30, 2001

Re: Car and Driver's 2002 10 Best List (Hajduk)

The Focus?????? I think they have lost there focus!

mutcth

· #9 · Nov 30, 2001

Re: Car and Driver's 2002 10 Best List (Instrument 37)

Not a bad list, but I don't think I would have added the RSX.
The Focus is a great member of the list - fun to drive, and cheap. Remember, Car and Driver isn't worried about reliability, and their long-term Focus wagon was reliable.
The Accord exists as an all-arounder; maybe the editors feel guilty about only picking sports cars or rides over $30k. I still think the Passat should have the slot - but that's a rehashed thread.
Tom

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· #10 · Nov 30, 2001

Re: Car and Driver's 2002 10 Best List (mutcth)

Car and Driver's list is unfortunately very much the same each year. Notice that 8 of the 10 were on the list last year. Who dropped off, other than the Miata?
The appearance of the WRX is no surprise to me. I was thinking about this the other week and predicted to myself it would make the list.

Sporin

· #11 · Nov 30, 2001

Re: Car and Driver's 2002 10 Best List (Hajduk)

The Accord deserves to be there, it is a very good car in almost every way and fills a HUGE price range ($15k-$24k±).
Sure the Passat is fancier, but it really doesn't do anything better then the Accord statistically, at least nothing tangible. Also, it's much more expensive.
Sorry for opening THAT can of worms.

Nice to see the WRX there.... it deserves it.

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DCS

· #12 · Nov 30, 2001

Re: Car and Driver's 2002 10 Best List (Obin Robinson)

quote:[HR][/HR]
, but their tilt is so domestic that they seem to judge everything upon it's ability to go fast in a straight line for a quarter mile.

obin[HR][/HR]

I swear we must be getting different issues or something.
Look at all their comparos and check the winners: Toyota, Honda, BMW, Audi then check the losers: Chrysler, Buick, Chevy, etc...
I even remember an SUV comparo from like 95 or 96 and the 4Runner was first followed by I think the Pathfinder.
The only time American cars win in C&D is if they're testing Pickups. Their 10 best list never has GM unless its a full size truck or Vette and never has any mopar unless it's a first model year car like a PT Cruser or Viper or LH sedan, once the novelty wears off you never see any Mopar on that list. It's mostly BMW, Honda, and a mix of Toyota, Ford, Benz, Audi/VW and an occasional Nissan or Subie.

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Jamblastx

· #13 · Nov 30, 2001

Re: Car and Driver's 2002 10 Best List (Hajduk)

C&D's rules governing their 10 Best need revamping. They only include new and/or improved automobiles AND 10 Best winners from the previous year. This format can lead to some contradictions like when a few years ago, the V6 Passat beat the V6 Accord in a comparison test but then the Accord was again one of the 10 Best cars a few issues later. Even if you take into account that the 10 Best includes the entire range well the 1.8T Passat is certainly better than a 4 cyl Accord and plus you can get a Passat Wagon and AWD in a Passat. But the reason why the Passat did not get onto the 10 Best that year was because it was not considered a new car but since the Accord was a 10 Best the previous year it was included.

Sporin

· #14 · Nov 30, 2001

Re: Car and Driver's 2002 10 Best List (Obin Robinson)

quote:[HR][/HR]not really. every time i pick up the magazine i think [American] Car and [v8-engined] Driver. they have some good journalists, but their tilt is so domestic that they seem to judge everything upon it's ability to go fast in a straight line for a quarter mile.
that said, i read every other car magazine except [non-foreign]Motor [what's new in Detroit] Trendobin[HR][/HR]

I've subscribed to C&D for nearly 10 years and I have no idea what you are talking about??

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· #15 · Nov 30, 2001

Re: Car and Driver's 2002 10 Best List (Jamblastx)

The year the Passat won that comparison was its first year, and it was considered for the 10Best. A Passat 1.8T may be "better" than an Accord, but remember that the Accord's price point is a good $4k less than the Passat's. For buyers who just need a good family sedan, an Accord LX is a better buy than a Passat GLS.

Obin Robinson

· #16 · Nov 30, 2001

Re: Car and Driver's 2002 10 Best List (DCS)

quote:[HR][/HR]
, but their tilt is so domestic that they seem to judge everything upon it's ability to go fast in a straight line for a quarter mile.

obin
I swear we must be getting different issues or something.
Look at all their comparos and check the winners: Toyota, Honda, BMW, Audi then check the losers: Chrysler, Buick, Chevy, etc...
I even remember an SUV comparo from like 95 or 96 and the 4Runner was first followed by I think the Pathfinder.
The only time American cars win in C&D is if they're testing Pickups. Their 10 best list never has GM unless its a full size truck or Vette and never has any mopar unless it's a first model year car like a PT Cruser or Viper or LH sedan, once the novelty wears off you never see any Mopar on that list. It's mostly BMW, Honda, and a mix of Toyota, Ford, Benz, Audi/VW and an occasional Nissan or Subie.[HR][/HR]

am i thinking of Motor Trend then? i know that one of them always picks american cars and i stopped reading the magazine because there was so much "look at this V8 american product in comparison to this little 4 cylinder Japanese or European product.. ha ha, the little foreign car can't match this big american car's V8 in a straight line and that's all that matters."
the magazine i'm thinking of had the stupidest article ever written in an auto magazine... the "zero to 150 to zero" test that was the "new benchmark by which all cars should be judged." just poor journalism.
whichever mag that was, it stinks.
obin

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· #17 · Nov 30, 2001

Re: Car and Driver's 2002 10 Best List (Obin Robinson)

Car and Driver did do the 0-150-0 test (as did Road and Track, I believe), but they only claimed that it was a performance (braking and acceleration) benchmark. I think it is an interesting test, but it's more entertainment than anything else.

PhilHVW

· #18 · Nov 30, 2001

Re: Car and Driver's 2002 10 Best List (CanuckPal)

quote:[HR][/HR]A Passat 1.8T may be "better" than an Accord, but remember that the Accord's price point is a good $4k less than the Passat's. For buyers who just need a good family sedan, an Accord LX is a better buy than a Passat GLS.[HR][/HR]

I'm always amazed at how much cheaper an Accord is than a Passat. A loaded Accord V6 with leather is $25k, the Passat GLX is $29k.

Obin Robinson

· #19 · Nov 30, 2001

Re: Car and Driver's 2002 10 Best List (CanuckPal)

that test was dumb. the criteria was hilarious. the choice of cars involved were poor. it held no value other than as a satire.
that said, i subscribe to:
Grassroots Motorsports
Road and Track
Automobile
Autoweek
Racer
Excellence
Panorama (actually, it comes with PCA membership

)
European Car
and we get another 6 or 8 car newsletters/magazines every month (i can't remember all of them now)
Car and Driver has some great journalists working there... but their road tests are so bad... they are the "Stereo Review" of car mags. i can sum up the last Car and Driver review i read:
"this car went zero to sixty in 7 seconds and the quarter mile was 14 seconds... it therefore is a good car. anything else you don't need to know about because acceleration is all that matters... oh, wait, there was a skidpad test but that should not matter."
admittedly, i haven't read a full issue in about 6 months. but the last issue was so bad i thought "worth 1/2 the cover price, sorry, i'll pass."
obin

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VWDriver

· #20 · Nov 30, 2001

Re: Car and Driver's 2002 10 Best List (CanuckPal)

Road & Track did a 0-100-0 article a ways back (in 1994 I think). If I remember correctly, they did it to revive an old test from back in the 60's.
It was a great roundup of cars: the then new Dodge Viper, Ferrari 512TR, Chevy Corvette ZR-1, Porsche 911 Turbo, Lotus Esprit, Toyota Supra, Shelby Cobra, Mazda RX-7, etc.
*edit* The tests Obin is thinking of are revisions of this one done by R&T.

[Modified by VWDriver, 12:55 PM 11-30-2001]

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