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Careless of dangerous???? (moderator let me post this (-: )

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Okay sorry to bug you guys but this is really important to me.....dec 8th i got charged with dangerous driving. And my lawyer couldnt convince the
crown attorney to change it to carless. So im not sure
if i should plead guilty and loose my license for a
year and prolly have a niffty fine or to go to trial
to get careless driving which my lawyer said will be
hard. Please dont call me an idiot cus i already know
that and this shat is really stressing me out......so
if you wont help then dont.
Here is the Crown Attorny`s Synopsis to give you an
idea of what happend.
On the 8th of Decemeber 2001 at about 1:15am, the
investigating officer was operating police radar for
traffic traveling southbound on Guelph LIne from #3
side road in the town of milton.
At 1:24 am a lone vehicle approached the radar
location. This vehicle was obviously exceeding the
posted 60km speed (around 40 miles). The vehicle
entered the radar and registered a speed of 126km/h.
As the vehicle drove past the officer he was abl to
determine that it was a WHITE VOLKSWAGEN JETTA. the
officer turned on his headlights and pulled out to
follow the vehicle and pull it over.
When the officer pulled onto the guelph Line the jetta
was approaching the intersection of the guelph line
and steeles ave. The vehicle was braking hard (not
true, cus i was just flooring it and only slowed down
when there was a car comming cus i was goin very fast)
and moved into the northbound lane (turned right from
the left lane)
As the officer made the same right hand turn the
accused had increased the distance from the
intersection dramatically. He was accelerating
quickly. The officer activated the emergency lights
(he didnt and he even admitted it) on the cruiser and
accelerated after the accused. Due to the nature of
the offence and the condition of the roadway the
officer decided to dicontinue going after the accussed
(i basically lost him).
At the intersection of steeles Ave and first line the
officer located the jetta. it had lost control while
attempting to make another right hand turn and entered
the northwest ditch. the vehicle had struck several
small trees (not true there was only grass) both
airbags deployed (cus i clipped the rock with my
bumper hard) and the vehicle had recieved significan
damage to the front end body and under cariage (the
bumper was a lil cracked at the bottom and thats it)
the driver revieced very minor injuries (the fackin
air bag cut my wrists) he was assisted from the
vehicle.
At 1:25am the driver was advised he was under arrest
for dangerous driving and advised of his rights and
cautioned. the accuesed identified himself with a
valid ontario drivers license.
Okay sorry that was soo long. just to clarify things i
didnt see the cop....well i seen a car behind quite a
bit behind me but he didnt have his sirens on so i
just thought it was another car. and i was speeding
cus my mom was crying and upset cus she is goin
through a divorce and i wanted to get there as soon as
possible.
I would really appreciate some insight on what i
should do ( i have a lawyer) or insidents where anyone
was charged with careless or dangerous driving and
what they exacly did.
thanks again guys....i hope i can count on you.....as
for the dubb....im sorry
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Re: Careless of dangerous???? (Koobs)

I feel your pain. The law has been busting me left and right. Mainly when they see my Jetta they say O thats a VW got to bust it. They gave me 4 tickets in one month. 3 of the tickets were for the same violation. these werent speeding tickets though. Anyway all I can say is good luck with court. Hopefully your lawyer will lessen the charge. BTW airbags suck. I was riding with a buddy of mine in his A3 jetta we were driving on the highway and hit a patch of ice and did a 360 hit the guard rail head on. Airbags deployed sprained my wrist,busted my hand up and bruised 3 ribs. My injurys are all from the airbag. Plus I couldnt breath causes of the gases from the airbag.
Re: Careless of dangerous???? (hoodita)

quote:[HR][/HR]I feel your pain. The law has been busting me left and right. Mainly when they see my Jetta they say O thats a VW got to bust it. They gave me 4 tickets in one month. 3 of the tickets were for the same violation. these werent speeding tickets though. Anyway all I can say is good luck with court. Hopefully your lawyer will lessen the charge. BTW airbags suck. I was riding with a buddy of mine in his A3 jetta we were driving on the highway and hit a patch of ice and did a 360 hit the guard rail head on. Airbags deployed sprained my wrist,busted my hand up and bruised 3 ribs. My injurys are all from the airbag. Plus I couldnt breath causes of the gases from the airbag.[HR][/HR]​
hey it sounds like the airbags saved your life so i wouldn't be complaining
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Re: Careless of dangerous???? (Koobs)

"Careless of dangerous???? "
Well, you went off the raod. That is probably a key element in the distinction between careless and dangerous. The officer isn't attempting to site you with anything about trying to get away from him or anything. Basically, you went past him at a high rate of speed and he caught up with you off the side of the raod - airbags deployed. I think you're stuck. Good thing you hadn't been drinking or something. I would trust your lawyers judgement. It doesn't sound like he thinks he can do anythong for you and doesn't want you to waste your time and money (sounds like a decent lawyer, btw).
Re: Careless of dangerous???? (Koobs)

This is a tough situation.
Either plead Guilty and get a year without a license and a large fine. Or try to plead inocent and possibly get less charges, along with other thing's.
Question if you pleaded inocent, and they found you guilty would they ad to your charges?

If not I would try to plead Inocent.
Good Luck
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Re: Careless of dangerous???? (VWhombre)

you sound like you know what your talking about.
so out of the accident and speeding you say the going off the road was the key?
can i argue and say i was way to far for him to know that.
cus there is no street lights and i passed him at 126 so by the time he started his car and chased me i was almost at the turn......all he would see is my red break lights.
Re: Careless of dangerous???? (Koobs)

quote:[HR][/HR]Question if you pleaded inocent, and they found you guilty would they ad to your charges?
If not I would try to plead Inocent.[HR][/HR]​
that is something i want to know too.......would they just get pissed off and add more??
and if they will it will be a jail term (max 2 years) i realized how serious dangerious is after i did it
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Re: Careless of dangerous???? (blkjettavr6)

quote:[HR][/HR]hey it sounds like the airbags saved your life so i wouldn't be complaining
[HR][/HR]​
yeah well. I still hatem. I thinking we hit it at around 40mph. All we did was stuff the airbags back in the dash and in the steering wheel. And bailed out. Too cold to be sitting outside waiting.
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Re: Careless of dangerous???? (Koobs)

I would just plead guilty and let your lawyer do the rest.
Re: Careless of dangerous???? (Koobs)

once they have officially charged you they cant just go back and add more charges just for fun. i say plead innocent and pray that your lawyer is good. you might just get lucky like i did when i basically changed the way the 12 point law was written in ohio and saved my liscense.
Re: Careless of dangerous???? (TrucItUp)

but if i plead guilty what else can my lawyer do???
whats the difference in pleading innocent or guilty in this case?
Re: Careless of dangerous???? (Koobs)

plead guilty and your screwed and prolly gonna lose your liscense but plead innocent and maybe get lucky but if you do lose you might get a harsher sentance.
Re: Careless of dangerous???? (TrucItUp)

i was thinking of a deal i could make with the crown.
cus dangerous is criminal and 1 year gone (and there is no buses or trains so my mom will have to drive my ass everywher for a year )
and careless isnt a criminal but there is no suspension........do you think if i offer to plead guilty to careless and a 2 month suspension they will give in?
you guys think that would work??
Re: Careless of dangerous???? (Koobs)

It sounds fair - 2 months off the road (you didn't hurt anyone). Hell, a 2 month suspension is more than most DUIs get and they're worse IMHO. Remind your lawyer to point out that even without a suspension/fine you're still going to pay through the nose for the next 5 years due to insurance.
1 year seems harsh, unless you already have a bunch of previous traffic violations that you didn't mention.
Khyron
Re: Careless of dangerous???? (Koobs)

If you can plea bargain (pleading guilty to the charge of careless driving), that's the way to go. Talk to your lawyer again and see what he thinks. I'm afraid that if you go to court, the judge will eat you alive. You lost control of the vehicle and left the road - that's dangerous in anyone's book.
Re: Careless of dangerous???? (VWhombre)

I dunno. Sounds like there were a lot of things he took into account to get to the dangerous driving status. I don't think it was just from the running off the road.
You were going twice the speed limit, made a right hand turn from the left hand lane, and eventually lost control, went off the road and wrecked.
Sounds like dangerous driving to me.
It sucks, but I think your best bet is to plead guilty. I don't think they can add any charges if you plead innocent and they find you guilty. But they will charge you court costs. It sounds to me like you probably have little chance of getting the penalty reduced, but will probably end up paying a lot more in the long run (attorny fees, court costs, etc.) if you try and plead innocent.
Re: Careless of dangerous???? (pdoel)

Try pleading guilty with an excuse to a lesser count, make sure your lawyer brings up your(hopefully for you) clean driving record.
Re: Careless of dangerous???? (pdoel)

plead no contest
Re: Careless of dangerous???? (joeZX6)

i actually dont have a clean record...

i took my parents car for a joy ride in grade 9 and tore up some grass. but all i got was a fine for like 100 bucks (i was supposed to get driving wit no license, fleeing from the scene of an accident (grass?) and some other crap) but my lawyer said that they dont seem to be taking that under consideration.
i think im gonna try to get out of it...cus i just found out last night that they thought i had my G1 ( i think its like a learners permit in the states, its the first step in your license where you cant drive past midnight and you have to have someone who had thier license for 4 years atleast beside you at all times and you cant go on the highway) but they made a mistake because i have my full license (G2) which alows me to do anythign alone...and my lawyer said that changing that i have a full license wont change anythign cus they wont admit that they based thier opinion on that but my driving...which i think is bull**** cus they are human.
so im fighting this shiet cus i dont think i can live without driving for a year...but if i do get a year.....i told my dad to rent me a porshe and im takin it on the track liek an hour away from here.....he said alright.
oh and if i get dangerous my insurance wont cover any damages to the car...they are like 5grand (fackin german pieces are so expensive)


[Modified by Koobs, 5:45 PM 2-14-2002]
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Re: Careless of dangerous???? (Koobs)

quote:[HR][/HR]so im fighting this shiet cus i dont think i can live without driving for a year...but if i do get a year.....i told my dad to rent me a porshe and im takin it on the track liek an hour away from here.....he said alright.
oh and if i get dangerous my insurance wont cover any damages to the car...they are like 5grand (fackin german pieces are so expensive)
[HR][/HR]​
I dunno. Maybe you can't live without driving for a year, but from the sounds of your driving history, your account of the incident in question, and your attitude, I'm thinking that someone else might not live, if you continue to drive like this.
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