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Just wondering if it is possible to put a clutch disc in backwards in a 8v jetta 1987 wolfs 210mm.
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Re: clutch disc (jedi)

It's possible, though in order to fit the flywheel back on something else would be wrong, like the release plate not being right. The clutch disc center sticks out (where it'd normally grab the input shaft of the tranny) so that'd prevent things from tightening up I think... Seems more like the release plate would be wrong, like if someone just stuck it in there without clipping it in or something. You change it and having problems or some shop screw up?
Re: clutch disc (negativl)

actually, yes I am having just a bit of a problem, this will be 5x in the the last 2 weeks that i have had to pull off my transmisiion and try to diagnose the problem. I changed my p. plate flywheel and clutch disc along with the rear main seal...My problem is that the clutch does not engage properly, it bites but it doesn't hold on.Everything works fine when the car is on jackstands though I,ve tried changing the pressure plate 2x, i changed the t/o bearing i followed the bentley on torque specs on everything. It does the same thing every time i get it back together. I'm getting really frustrated with it. When I tighten the flywheel bolts to the pressure plate (1/4 turn 9 step to 15ft. lbs.)everything is tight .I mean the clutch disc is tight inside the flywheel, but every time i take the transmission back off i can move the clutch disc w/ my hands something just is not right.help anybody!!!
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Re: clutch disc (jedi)

The pin(s) between the flywheel and the pressure plate were lined up right, right?
When you torqed it down, did you go through the 9 bolt pattern several times? You're actually tightening against the pressure plate springs, so even with the pattern, some will be looser than others. I went 1/2 turns around until they were each hand-tight, then torqued to 10ft-lbs, then did it again to 15. (actually, I used 15 and 20 Nm but you get the idea). The clutch should want to shift slightly as you're tightening things down (leave the centering tool in place).
So I take it the problem definitely wasn't the clutch cable?
Re: clutch disc (negativl)

yes i tightened everything down evenly 1/4 turn at a time through the 9 step process. I made sure the pins were lined up also.is 15 ft lbs tight enough i know that is what it says in the bentley but i have found more than one type-o in that book. i did use the centering tool,after the bolts were torqued i took the tool out and nothing moves i put everything back together and try to drive it and the clutch does not engage. the car starts to move....slowly tthen when i give it gas the rpms race to the sky and the car is going nowhere. with no load on jack stands the wheels turn just fine.when i take it back apart that clutch disc moves whereas it did not before i put it back together any ideas negativl?
Re: clutch disc (jedi)

anyone???????? nobody up for the brain challenge?
Re: clutch disc (jedi)

okay, so the clutch disc moving is probably the clue, you're right... The torque settings are the same ones I used, and mine's working, so I don't think it's a typo.
My best guess would be that something is wrong with the release plate system, that shows up once the rod has pushed in the first time after it's all back together. It's able to disengage, then something is catching up that keeps the pressure plate from springing back into the clutch. The only thing there is the release plate and its retaining springclip. There are the 3 tabs on the PP that mate up to 3 notches around the outside of the RP, make sure those line up, they also catch the retaining springclip. The RP and PP are really supposed to be one assembled unit, they only come apart so you can attach the PP to the crank. Something has got to be wrong there, unless the new clutch disc is just plain bad (possible, but not likely).
The only other possibility would be a bad flywheel, so the PP can't push the clutch into it, but that is not likely. I guess if you're taking it out again, you should check it for minimum thickness and warping. (they're also only 90 bucks no-core, so not a huge deal to replace).
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Re: clutch disc (jedi)

quote:[HR][/HR]anyone???????? nobody up for the brain challenge?[HR][/HR]​
patience, grasshopper.
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Re: clutch disc (negativl)

I put a new flywheel on the car.so i dont think that is the problem.as far as the release plate i know i put it together correctly, but should i have replaced it along w/ the p. plate clutch disc and flywheel? It did not come in my kit...
Re: clutch disc (jedi)

my bro and i just went out to my car. I had him press the clutch pedal in and out several times. when i opened the hood i could hear a popping noise coming from the clutch area as he would press and release the clutch pedal .What the hell?
Re: clutch disc (jedi)

One thought... are you sure the clutch disc is able to mate with the splines on the input shaft? If you have the bigger inside diameter clutch hub, or if the shaft is damaged, the clutch would just spin around...
Re: clutch disc (negativl)

yes they match i fit the disc on to the main shaft before i installed it to make sure. I have thought about what is wrong with it for 2 weeks straight now.I am actually dreaming about it at night. The only thing i figured it could have been was a weak pressure plate, so i took mine back and got another , to no avail. It worked fine before I did all this, well it slipped but at least it would stall when i dumped the clutch in gear before .now it just keeps running no stall( engagement) at all. I guess my next step would be to put all the old parts back in and see if it works. I really dont know what else to do. at least by doing this i can see if something is wrong with one of the parts i replaced . OH yeah should you replace the release plate/retaining ring when doing a clutch job?
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Re: clutch disc (jedi)

Did you try disconnecting the clutch cable entirely, and tap the release lever down a bit to make sure it's not sticking? When it's flopping all the way down, can you start the car in gear and move that way?
Re: clutch disc (jedi)

If you saying you can move the center plate with the flywheel on (trans out), then the fault has to be the pressure plate sticking, I would assemble the clutch/flywheel assembly off the car and see if it fits right.
How loose is it?
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