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The Falcon is due for a major makeover later this year when the AV series takes a bow in September. This will address the styling issues people have had with the current AU, and with major mechanical upgrades including having double wishbones front and rear standard on all models instead of just top-line models as is the case with the current model. Here's an image from drive.com.au of what it should look like:

Given how good the current AU Falcon is, we have every reason to expect the new AV to be an exceptional car. It looks like a bigger, grown-up Mondeo and the New Edge resemblence is retained.
 

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Re: Coming in September- 2003 AV series Ford Falcon (xdre)

Yeah, but when will they bring it to the US! It would be a great Taurus replacement. Then bring in the Mondeo for Mazda 626 and Countour (I know its different platform from 626, similar type vehicle though) replacement.
 

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Re: Coming in September- 2003 AV series Ford Falcon (xdre)

Engines planned: the current 4.0 six-banger will be upgraded and become a DOHC engine, and apparently the good old Windsors are on their way out
But the replacement will be the 5.4 V8, which could come in some extremely hot versions that may well shatter even the M5
 
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Well, looks better than the current monstrosity. Sorry David, but I think the outgoing Falcon is Ford's biggest styling nightmare since the last-generation European Scorpio.
IIRC, the Australian Falcon has a lot in common with the platypus, the egg-laying mammal, at least in terms of evolution. I believe it can trace its platform back to a the 60's Ford Galaxie. In the US, that car became the Fairmont and finally the Tempo before becoming extinct; somehow it still lives on Down Under.
 

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Re: Coming in September- 2003 AV series Ford Falcon (Turbopup2)

Yeah, that is obviously a total Volkswagen ripoff. It looks exactly like the Passat [or Golf, or Jetta, or New Beetle]

Actually, I'm feeling this car. If that replaced the sucko Taurus, I'd give http://****************.com/smile/emthup.gif to Ford... not enough to actually buy a Ford, but I'd applaud them for the efford

But, you all have to admit that Ford Five Hundred drawing is the Ultimate Passat Clone



[Modified by ASurroca, 1:23 PM 4-9-2002]
 

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Re: Coming in September- 2003 AV series Ford Falcon (bgluckman)

quote:[HR][/HR]Well, looks better than the current monstrosity. Sorry David, but I think the outgoing Falcon is Ford's biggest styling nightmare since the last-generation European Scorpio.
IIRC, the Australian Falcon has a lot in common with the platypus, the egg-laying mammal, at least in terms of evolution. I believe it can trace its platform back to a the 60's Ford Galaxie. In the US, that car became the Fairmont and finally the Tempo before becoming extinct; somehow it still lives on Down Under. [HR][/HR]​
Nope. The Falcon's platform has been all-new for the last few years. The first gen was the XK-XP ('60-'66), then the XR-XY ('66-'71), then XA-XC ('72-'79), then XD-XF ('79-'88), EA-EL ('88-'98) and the new AU since '98. Each generation has had several facelifts which improved the car. The EA was the real stuff-up quality-wise and all.
The Fairlane began production here in '67 and evolved along the Falcons lines, being built off the stretched Falcon platform. The LTD came in '73 and the first gen Aussie LTDs were built off a super-stretched Falcon platform. Falcons always have had unitary construction, and top-line sedans have had double wishbone front and rear since '98.


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Re: Coming in September- 2003 AV series Ford Falcon (David Votoupal)

The Tseries range of falcons look bloody nice actually... especially in person.
when they re orderes sans rear wing they take on a brutish appearance similar to an E55 or M5. VERY smart looking in the flesh.
 

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Re: Coming in September- 2003 AV series Ford Falcon (slimmy)

Indeed they are. The Fairlane/LTD-based TL50 is very smart-looking too, in being very subtle and understated. No doubt, Ford surely must start exporting with the AV...
 

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Re: Coming in September- 2003 AV series Ford Falcon (David Votoupal)

You forgot to mention that they will also offer a TURBO 6 cylinder with over 300hp stock..
Testing rumours have stated that this engine is capable of very very big numbers but from a marketing point of view, the power levels have been kept slightly lower than the v8.
 

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Re: Coming in September- 2003 AV series Ford Falcon (Mark at farm)

And no doubt, Ford Australia engineers will save their best for later- a mega V8 engine which will stomp over the competition like no sports sedan has ever done before. I'm hoping for 500bhp minimum
 

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Re: Coming in September- 2003 AV series Ford Falcon (bgluckman)

quote:[HR][/HR]
IIRC, the Australian Falcon has a lot in common with the platypus, the egg-laying mammal, at least in terms of evolution. I believe it can trace its platform back to a the 60's Ford Galaxie. In the US, that car became the Fairmont and finally the Tempo before becoming extinct; somehow it still lives on Down Under. [HR][/HR]​
The US Galaxie was a separate frame car, and had nothing to do with the Fairmont.
The Fairmont was the first of the Fox chassis cars, that spawned the Fox Mustang, the '80s T bird, and was modified to be the SN95 Mustang in '94. The Tempo was a FWD platform that shared more with the US Escort than anything. The original '60 Falcon gave us the original Mustang and Cougar, Fairlane/Meteor, Torino, the Maverick, and finally the Granada, before vanishing.
 

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Re: Coming in September- 2003 AV series Ford Falcon (Chris V)

The Falcon lasted for 10 years in NA, with the redesign coming for '66 making it larger than before. That platform spawned the Fairlane, Comet and other similar cars.
The model range in Australia was standard and Deluxe, with the Futura and Squire joining in the XL series and continuing through to the XP. During the XP's run, the Futura and Squire were replaced by the Fairmont as the luxury model and the Fairmont name has since been used on upmarket Falcons. For the XR and XT, trim levels were standard, 500 and Fairmont. With the XW, the Futura name was revived for a model in between the 500 and Fairmont. The GT first appeared in the XR series, while the first Aussie Fairlane appeared in that time too.
With the XA series of '72, Ford Australia brought out the first all-Australian Falcon on a new platform. While it had cues from early 70s Torinos, it was an all-Australian design and its rakish, sporty style was very attractive. It was also larger and wider than before, and had major advances in engineering and safety. The choice of models was also wide, with standard, 500, Futura, Fairmont and GT, plus the Fairlane Custom, Fairlane 500 and (from early '73) LTD on longer wheelbases. Falcon sedans and hardtops had a 111" wb, the wagons, commercials and Fairlanes a 116" wb, and the LTD a 121" wb. All shared a common chassis and suspension setup, and as they were quite stiffly sprung and well sorted Ford had achieved excellent handling. Engines ranged from the 200 I6 to the 4bbl 351 Cleveland V8 (the latter reserved for GT and LTD models). The majority of cars are automatics of course, and many were loaded up with luxury and sports items. Also note Fairlanes and LTDs had their own model codes.
The XB series brought further advances and a shake-up of the model range, while the XC facelift brought revised engines (due to emission control, but nowhere near as bad as Holden simply slapping emissions control on) with sixes gaining cross-flow heads and V8s new 4bbl carbs. The lineup was topped off by the Fairmont GXL, Fairlane Marquis and LTD which took lavishness to new heights while retaining the performance, rugged reliability and driveability for which this fine series had achieved fame.
The GS rally pack allowed you to make your run of the mill Falcon look like a GT, with the driving lights, sports wheels, sports buckets and console and other goodies (sports suspension too, so don't you dare accuse it of being "factory rice"
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The Cobra was a run of 400 2-dr hardtops, the last produced by Ford Australia. They had sports seats, full body kit (white with blue stripes), globe alloys and other goodies, and had the 302 (5.0) or 351 (5.8).
With the all-new XD series of '79, Ford had chosen a Euro-inspired look taken from the European Mk2 Granada. The underpinnings and drivetrains were unchanged, the model range consisting of the GL, Fairmont, Fairmont Ghia, Fairlane and LTD (no more full-size LTDs). The XE of '82 brought coil springs to sedans, but V8s were dropped later in the year and IMHO, this was the most horrendous mistake Ford ever made as they lost out big time in image even if they achieved market leadership. The XF of '84 brought cosmetic revisions.
When the EA came out in '88, the last vestiges of older generations were largely eliminated (live axles aside). The new aerodynamically styled, all-Australian car was to be Ford's big chance. It had an all-new platform with an all-new drivetrain (OHC inline six), replacing those that had been in use for years. But at the same time, the EA was dogged with BIG problems and this hurt Ford's image badly and probably the reason they have fallen behind Holden in the sales race. The EB of '91 brought cosmetic revisions, improved quality and above all the return of the 5.0. In '93, '94 and '96, the ED, EF and EL series respectively brought styling changes and other improvements.
Holden launched its VT Commodore in '97 and instantly won acclaim for it, including Wheels' COTY. Ford was falling behind but had the AU waiting in the wings, finally bowing in '98 with substantial advances in many areas. The base models looked ugly with their plain grilles and dull grey interiors, but the more expensive models were classier and better-looking and finished inside and out. Ford had fallen badly in sales, but this did not reflect on the fact that the AU is an all-round excellent car. The Series II and III revisions addressed the styling issues and further improved what is an excellent car.
So where now for Ford? The current Falcon line is already a better car than its Holden rival, in some cases (as in handling and most importantly build quality) a much better car. Ford has the chance now to steal sales from Holden. But really, Ford's biggest problem has been image and marketing. Image is a problem because of the blunders Ford committed in the 80s and early 90s, that after an extremely successful period in the 70s in which Ford eroded Holden's market share and is seen by most enthusiasts to have had Australia's cars at the time (though it was hard to pick between Falcons, Holdens and Valiants as they were all great cars). They need to market themselves properly, to focus on the merits of the Falcon range.
With the AV, Ford has the chance to set things right. No doubt, it will improve on an already excellent package. No doubt, it will be at least competitive with most similarly-sized cars in key areas. And no doubt, this is Ford's chance to show Australia and the world it means business. Go for it!!!
 
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