But the new Civic Si, includes a shifter placed at the console.. there's somewhat of a debate going on in the Mk. IV VW forum, about the usefulness of that setup. Would anyone here have an opinion on that? I've believe other cars included that, there's an old Volvo parked near my house which includes such a setup. Anyone ever drive a car with a shifter in that position?
Many old vans used that kind of setup.
I can see why it may be more comfortable, because its so close to the wheel, but I wouldn't want to take off the dash to fool with the shifter
I have experienced the column mounted "Sequential sportmatic" shifter in both Honda Stream and Odyssey. I don't see there's problem of its not ergonomically correct. It falls right at hand. This is a position that the armrest won't block your hand.
I'm surprised that since everyone in the MkIV forum is a race car driver, they haven't noticed that this type of set-up is very common in WRC and touring cars.
Meaning, it must be cool...and people will soon be finding ways of attaching shifters to their Golf and Jetta dashboards.
Like Matt07 mentioned, many old vans had it, and still currently do, just
not in North America (I guess since we mostly prefer automatics).
The following three MPVs (minivans) have the in-dash shifter, the Citroen
Evasion, the Honda Stream and the Misubishi Space Wagon.
This is the Honda pic:
The reviews here have been very positive about the Civic shifter, especially in the Type R. Very short and direct.
I have driven such a setup in a Mercedes Sprinter. Very car like to drive, but you could feel there´s are complicated mechanics attached to it. Much better than a looong shifter on the floor. Unfortunately, the console didn´t stand the gravity.
i saw a the honda with there dash mounted shifter...reminds me of a video game/joystick/space ship.......pointless and straight up ugly http://****************.com/smile/emthdown.gif http://****************.com/smile/emthdown.gif
Jeebus, all you "car enthisiast" in one thread about console mounted shifters and no one mentioned the bloody Alfa Spider?
And yes, the shifter on the console is great for driving (especially if you've got 1st on the dog leg) but it fubchucks the rest of the cars ergonomics.
True, minivans have a console shifters while many have column shift. Nothing wrong with that. Surely you don't mind going back to dashboard or pushbutton shifters
quote:[HR][/HR]I'm surprised that since everyone in the MkIV forum is a race car driver, they haven't noticed that this type of set-up is very common in WRC and touring cars.
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WRC drivers also sit 1" away from the steering wheel, but judging from the number of drivers still sporting the gangsta lean today, I doubt this will ever be cool.
Yeah, I saw it on the spider. Its not like this one though, its on the dash itself. Way better set up than my Jetta, I dont know about the SE-R, and the 510's throws are pretty long. I've heard this shifter feels very good as long as you dont look at it...
quote:[HR][/HR]I'm surprised that since everyone in the MkIV forum is a race car driver, they haven't noticed that this type of set-up is very common in WRC and touring cars.
Meaning, it must be cool...and people will soon be finding ways of attaching shifters to their Golf and Jetta dashboards.
In the end, Chrysler too had to replace pushbutton shifter with either column shift or floor shift.
For Chrysler's Torqueflite automatic transmission, it reads:
A466- '57-'61, pushbutton shifter and cable operated
A904- '60-'64, pushbutton shifter and cable operated; '65, column or floor shifter and cable operated, '66 on column or floor shifter and rod operated
727- '62-'64, pushbutton shifter and cable operated; '65, column or floor shifter and cable operated; '66 on column or floor shifter and rod operated
The A466 had a cast iron crankcase, the A904 and 727 had an alloy crankcase.
i think alfas used to have those kinad shifter in spiders.
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