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I have decided to go ahead and do a write up on this, because from what i have found, is that people think this is much more complicated than it really is.
this makes changing wheels, running different sets up wheels/spacers etc. ridiculously easier and much faster.
the install is pretty universal on a 4 lug or 5 lug car and dosent matter if you have drum or disc rears.
Materials needed:
- 16 studs 12x1.5 thread pitch (4 lug) or 20 studs 14x1.5 thread pitch (5 lug) - can be found here http://gearworksmfg.com/access....html
- OPEN ENDED lug nuts with appropriate thread pitch
- Red Loctite
Tools Needed:
- Allen keys/sockets
- Torque wrench
Estimated Time: 30 minutes install, 24 hour set period
How to:
1 - Loosen lugs to remove wheels
2 - Jack up the car and put it on jackstands, this is important because you need to leave the car up over night after installing the studs.
3 - Remove wheels and lug bolts, clean threads inside the hubs
4 - Make sure your new studs are clean

5 - Take one of the new studs you purchased and smother the short end of the threads in red loctite, this is important, because if you dont, they probably wont stay in very long.


6 - Insert the stud into the hole and thread it with your hand at first to ensure proper threading.
7 - The studs i purchased had an allen key in outward facing side, you can use this to tightened the stud into place. If you do not have this you can thread a two nuts facing each other so that they will be tightened against each other and tighten the stud in that way.

8 - There is no specific torque spec to tighten them to, thread the studs all the way in, and then slightly further so that the threads start to dig into unthreaded part. This was recommend by bildon, they said to do this and as for a torque spec for those that want it, around 20 ft-lbs.
9 - Repeat steps 6 and 7 until all studs are in.
Front Disc:

Rear Drum:

10 - Red loctite takes 10 minutes to cure, and 24 hours to completely set, so leave the car on jackstands for 24 hours.

11 - After 24 hours have passed your good to put on your new open ended lug nuts and wheels and torque the lug nuts to 85 ft-lbs. You must use open ended lug nuts because with the length of the studs it is possible they might hit the top of the nut if they were closed.

12 - Continue to check that the studs are tight and do not move freely for the first few wheel changes and check sporadically for the first 200 miles.
13 - Done.
any questions/comments/concerns, post them up and ill try my best to help!
good luck
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Modified by midwestjetta at 10:21 AM 4-14-2008
 

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Re: DIY: Lug bolt to Lug nut conversion (midwestjetta)

I have to say those do look less safe. The amount of thread that is attached looks like less then just a standard lug bolt....I could be wrong though. Nice pics!
 

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Re: DIY: Lug bolt to Lug nut conversion (DantheVWman)

Quote, originally posted by DantheVWman »
I have to say those do look less safe. The amount of thread that is attached looks like less then just a standard lug bolt....I could be wrong though. Nice pics!

thanks
ive gotten a few comments on this
its not any less safe if done correctly, but i can understand concerns. The thread that goes into the hub is about 1/2 inch, i dont know if it looks like that in the images, and the thread for the lug nuts is about 2 inches
i personally did it to make it easier to change wheels in between racing and driving on the street



Modified by midwestjetta at 10:29 AM 4-14-2008
 

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Re: DIY: Lug bolt to Lug nut conversion (JackieMoon)

Only drawback that i can see is that doing rotors will be a pain in the ass.Normally u can just loosen the bottom carrier bolt and are still able to slide the rotors out.This way you will have to take off the whole carrier.But Looks good.I personally prefer the lug nuts.But looks good to me.
 

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Re: DIY: Lug bolt to Lug nut conversion (Racer16)

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where did you purchase the lugs?

ebay, they were $20 if i recall
Quote, originally posted by Racer16 »
Only drawback that i can see is that doing rotors will be a pain in the ass.Normally u can just loosen the bottom carrier bolt and are still able to slide the rotors out.This way you will have to take off the whole carrier.But Looks good.I personally prefer the lug nuts.But looks good to me.

when replacing rotors i have always removed the carrier and caliper fully, so thats not an issue for me, but i can see what your saying.
 

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Re: DIY: Lug bolt to Lug nut conversion (midwestjetta)

Kinda funny, a new passat did this to his car to run some ugly ass rims, we put new tires on it a while back, kid comes back today with his fender all mangled up and ish. Says the front wheel fell off.
Tried to blame us, but we had relized the tires we put on the front were now on the back, so he had tried to rotate them himself.
Stupid ****er.
 

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Re: DIY: Lug bolt to Lug nut conversion (IwishIhadaHonda)

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Kinda funny, a new passat did this to his car to run some ugly ass rims, we put new tires on it a while back, kid comes back today with his fender all mangled up and ish. Says the front wheel fell off.
Tried to blame us, but we had relized the tires we put on the front were now on the back, so he had tried to rotate them himself.
Stupid ****er.

hey probably had left the lugs untightened or did the install wrong, that is pretty funny though
 

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Re: DIY: Lug bolt to Lug nut conversion (midwestjetta)

Is it really that tough to use the lug bolts? I mean, if you had to change wheels really fast, like in Nascar or F1, I can understand, but normally it doesn't really bother me.
 

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Re: DIY: Lug bolt to Lug nut conversion (95GolfIIIGL)

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Is it really that tough to use the lug bolts? I mean, if you had to change wheels really fast, like in Nascar or F1, I can understand, but normally it doesn't really bother me.

no, its not difficult, but it does make it much easier to swap around multiple sets of wheels, wheel/spacer setups without having to have all different sets of lug bolts.
im not saying that everybody should do it, or that its better or superior, i did it because i prefer to have this set up.
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LETS SEE THIS SHT WITH THE WHEELS BTCH

haha
pictures will come as soon as some of the race day pictures are done, those are the only ones with the wheels on them, i didnt take any before then
 

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Re: DIY: Lug bolt to Lug nut conversion (liquidicenf)

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nice little write up.. i've always contemplated doing this..

its really easy, and can be done in no time
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Re: DIY: Lug bolt to Lug nut conversion (midwestjetta)

you gotta get a rear disc coversion son! all that work on that mark 4 mani swap and im still seeing drums on that bad boy?
tsk tsk
 

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Re: DIY: Lug bolt to Lug nut conversion (JackieMoon)

i did this conversion a few months back, i have to say i do enjoy it...i was skepticle on the studs loosening over time, but its been about 8months, 12,000 miles, removed the wheels about 15 times or so, and i have hit some serious **** on these east cost roads....and the studs still remain in the hubs when i take the wheels off.

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where did you purchase the lugs?

Bildon Motorsports sells the nuts, for aftermartet wheels, 9 out of 10 times you will need a conical wheel nut
2.0
http://www.bildon.com/catalog/...=none
VR6
http://www.bildon.com/catalog/...=none
and for OEM wheels you will need spherical wheel nuts
2.0
http://www.bildon.com/catalog/...=none
VR6
http://www.bildon.com/catalog/...=none

bildon ships stuff out the next day too i got my stuff within 2 days of placing an order all 3 times http://****************.com/smile/emthup.gif
p.s. they have the studs too

and to the OP nice little write up http://****************.com/smile/emthup.gif
 

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Re: DIY: Lug bolt to Lug nut conversion (JackieMoon)

Quote, originally posted by JackieMoon »
where did you purchase the lugs?

Bildon Motorsports has them too. That's where I got mine. http://****************.com/smile/emthup.gif
 

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Re: DIY: Lug bolt to Lug nut conversion (midwestjetta)

Why are you using Loctite of any kind here? You do not need to use loctite on studs!!
The proper way to install them is to hand-tighten them into the hub with the allen key until they snug up. Then install the wheel and the lugnuts. (You can use closed lugnuts if you measure and size your studs accordingly.) Then torque the nuts down to spec. Then drive around for 50 miles or so. Then loosen and re-torque the nuts to spec. If the threads on the studs and the hub are clean, they will not back out and will stay in the hub when you need to remove the wheel.
I ran studs for thousands of miles that I installed in the manner described above and and they never loosened and were easy to remove from the hubs when I wanted to pull the studs out, and never came out with the nuts when I wanted to pull the wheels off.
 
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