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Whoops. Looks like our '12 TDI will be headed to the dealer in the next few months...

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/19/b...column-region&region=top-news&WT.nav=top-news

New York Times said:
Volkswagen Is Ordered to Recall Nearly 500,000 Vehicles Over Emissions Software
By CORAL DAVENPORTSEPT. 18, 2015


WASHINGTON — The Obama administration on Friday ordered Volkswagen to recall nearly a half million cars from the road, saying the German automaker used software intentionally designed to circumvent environmental standards for reducing smog.

The Environmental Protection Agency issued the company a notice of violation and accused the company of breaking the law by installing software known as a “defeat device” in 4-cylinder Volkswagen and Audi vehicles from model years 2009-15. The device is programmed to detect when the car is undergoing official emissions testing, and to only turn on full emissions control systems during that testing. Those controls are turned off during normal driving situations, when the vehicles pollute far more heavily than reported by the manufacturer, the E.P.A. said.

“Using a defeat device in cars to evade clean air standards is illegal and a threat to public health,” said Cynthia Giles, the E.P.A.’s assistant administrator for the Office of Enforcement and Compliance. “Working closely with the California Air Resources Board, E.P.A. is committed to making sure that all automakers play by the same rules. E.P.A. will continue to investigate these very serious violations.”

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The software was designed to conceal the cars’ emissions of the pollutant nitrogen oxide, which contributes to the creation of ozone and smog. The pollutants are linked to a range of health problems, including asthma attacks and other respiratory diseases.

The state of California has issued a separate notice of violation to the company. California, the E.P.A. and the Justice Department are working together on an investigation of the allegations.

The allegations cover roughly 482,000 diesel passenger cars sold in the United States since 2009.

Affected diesel models include the Volkswagen Jetta (model years 2009-15), Volkswagen Beetle (model years 2009–15), Audi A3 (model years 2009–15), Volkswagen Golf (model years 2009–15) and Volkswagen Passat (model years 2014-15).

The notice of violation is part of a broader, more aggressive enforcement effort by federal environmental regulators on the auto industry. Analysts said it was meant to send a clear message to automakers that they will be harshly treated for compromising federal rules.

It follows a November 2014 announcement of the administration’s largest-ever penalty for a violation of the Clean Air Act, in which the government fined the Korean automakers Hyundai Motor and Kia Motors a combined $300 million as part of a settlement for overstating vehicle fuel-economy standards on 1.2 million cars.

“They want to make it clear that they’re going to crack down on cheaters,” said Frank O’Donnell, president of the environmental advocacy group Clean Air Watch. “They’re cheating not only car buyers but the breathing public. They want to lay down the law, enforce the law, and show they’re not going to tolerate cheaters. The laws and regulation are only as good as the enforcement.”
 

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Vague article is vague.

I'm concerned that an ECU reprogram that more aggressively controls for NOx could mean poorer drivability or shorter DPF life...but that's just owner anxiety talking.
If I still had my Mk5 TDI I probably would not take the car in for the recall. Not at least until a ton of other people did.
 

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Vague article is vague.

I'm concerned that an ECU reprogram that more aggressively controls for NOx could mean poorer drivability or shorter DPF life...but that's just owner anxiety talking.
probably a reasonable concern.

i wonder if this explains why mine would mysteriously go into terrible idling mode after i came to the first or second stop light following a hot start :laugh:


id love to hear more about how they (the epa) discovered this.
i know ive run across similar things benchmarking before, but it takes a lot of digging to confirm...
 

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If I owned a VW in the recall, I probably wouldn't bother bringing it in.
I was thinking the same thing, but I have a feeling that states will make sure that the affected VINs will be part of a verification database when they go to register each year/next years registration.

thank goodness my VW diesel is the V6, and is NOT part of this recall
 

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Hahahahaha.

Part of me wants to yell "bad Volkswagen! Bad! Bad!" and part of me wants to yell "Stupid EPA! Stupid! Stupid!"

A buddy of mine just got a notice that he might have to send his GTI back to CA for some sort of testing. I bet the gasoline cars are about to get recalled, too.

So as much as I want to yell at VW, this is pretty ingenious and hysterical at the same time. And the fact that it has taken EPA and CARB so long to catch on to the fact that that their test cycles are pretty predictable and could easily be faked out with creative tuning is pretty lame. I mean, I would guess that VW just got caught. What if everyone (GM, Toyota, etc) is doing this?

OMG, the ****storm that is about to ensue at NHTSA is going to be epic.
 

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So basically ... every single VW TDI ever since they launched their "clean diesel" campaign to coincide with the US introducing ultra-low sulfur diesel?
 

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I've heard about stuff like this from my friends who does a lot of vehicle engine testing in the past. I am sure VW is not the only one. Because the parameter of the EPA testing is well known and specific the car can basically guess when it is under test and do things differently....I'd be curious is more will come to light...
 

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My 2013 TDI has no DPF :laugh::thumbup:
 

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So it's only a recall? I would have expected a heavy fine at the very least. This has happened before with other automakers. Will they ever learn?
 

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I wonder if this related to the letter I got from VW a month or so ago, telling me to bring my car in for a software update related to emissions?
 

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Whoops. Looks like our '12 TDI will be headed to the dealer in the next few months...

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/19/b...column-region&region=top-news&WT.nav=top-news
Volkswagen has some fixing to do for sure. But what is up with the NY Times saying "The Obama Administration on Friday ordered..."? The EPA on Friday ordered... is the correct line. Lots of other "administration" references as well. This was the EPA investigating this in cooperation with CARB. Why turn everything into a political mess and get more people stirred up? How about reporting facts and leaving the drama and political nonsense out of it?

Off soapbox...
 

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Probably related to the regen cycle (using urea compounds) for the NOx catalyst. The EPA emissions test doesn't run long enough to allow the auto-regen cycle for the NOx catalyst to be completed...thus the recall/fines.

IMHO, it's more a signal that the EPA needs to amend their testing method for these cars. A bit of a :screwy: situation, but valid, nonetheless.
 

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I was thinking the same thing, but I have a feeling that states will make sure that the affected VINs will be part of a verification database when they go to register each year/next years registration.

thank goodness my VW diesel is the V6, and is NOT part of this recall
Geez, that's overkill.
 
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