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I disagree. Under the old plan, the credit was pro-rated on the size of the battery and only limited by how many units the mfr sold. This new version is overall far more restrictive.
The rules for sourcing are pretty vague and in many cases deliberately delegated to the Treasury. The Treasury department is under the executive branch. Do you really think the Biden administration is going to trumpet signature legislation, and then nullify one of the most visible aspects of it with restrictive regulations?
 

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The rules for sourcing are pretty vague and in many cases deliberately delegated to the Treasury. The Treasury department is under the executive branch. Do you really think the Biden administration is going to trumpet signature legislation, and then nullify one of the most visible aspects of it with restrictive regulations?
That doesn't change the fact that those restrictions exist. If they are left to the whims of the administration at the time, that will add even more confusion. As we've already discussed, there are also sale price and income restrictions. The merit of these can be argued, but it doesn't change the fact that they are restricting both the qualifying vehicles and the qualified buyers.
 

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That doesn't change the fact that those restrictions exist. If they are left to the whims of the administration at the time, that will add even more confusion. As we've already discussed, there are also sale price and income restrictions. The merit of these can be argued, but it doesn't change the fact that they are restricting both the qualifying vehicles and the qualified buyers.
As I said at the beginning of this thread...

Don’t ever, EVER trust Joe Manchin. Dude is a snake.
 

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That doesn't change the fact that those restrictions exist. If they are left to the whims of the administration at the time, that will add even more confusion. As we've already discussed, there are also sale price and income restrictions. The merit of these can be argued, but it doesn't change the fact that they are restricting both the qualifying vehicles and the qualified buyers.
Well yes, the income and vehicle price restrictions are there and pretty much fixed. I'm just saying that histrionic articles declaring "no vehicles will qualify for the credit" are just being overly dramatic. There will be a range of qualifying vehicles.
 

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Crap like this fits right into the misdirection agenda the republicans have been pushing for a while. Like the Florida solar amendment or that Abortion amendment in Kansas. FUD everything and do word slight of hand to make it seem like it means A when it really means X and then get it shoved into law, or shoved into a constitution where it's much hard to remove. If they can't negate something they will muddy it so much it's worthless except to niche carveouts for specific entities that cherry picked the details because they were the lobbyists writing the laws.

I really think we should ditch the omnibus mega bills and go strictly to plain English single line or paragraph laws that are strictly for a single stated purpose. It would cut out all the BS legal wrangling. There's no determining intent of the law, its explicitly stated.
 

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Well yes, the income and vehicle price restrictions are there and pretty much fixed. I'm just saying that histrionic articles declaring "no vehicles will qualify for the credit" are just being overly dramatic. There will be a range of qualifying vehicles.
You do get the "no vehicles will qualify for the credit" as pretty much right now, none of them build or source enough materials to actually qualify. They might within a year so. Its gonna make headaches is some say Model3 Tesla qualify after vin XXXX but not before or after vin XXX. It's just another poorly thought out bill rushed through that fails in every way, a hallmark of our current BS legislature who have all failed and fallen upwards.
 

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That doesn't change the fact that those restrictions exist. If they are left to the whims of the administration at the time, that will add even more confusion. As we've already discussed, there are also sale price and income restrictions. The merit of these can be argued, but it doesn't change the fact that they are restricting both the qualifying vehicles and the qualified buyers.
But this goes back to the whole issue that Congress/House/Senate is not made up of experts on all the subjects they create laws on. So they have to leave the regulations up to the experts in the agencies to make up the those regulations to fit what they are trying to accomplish with the law. If Congress had to create the fine details, nothing would ever get through the Congress to the President's desk because they would be arguing over where to put each comma.
 

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But this goes back to the whole issue that Congress/House/Senate is not made up of experts on all the subjects they create laws on. So they have to leave the regulations up to the experts in the agencies to make up the those regulations to fit what they are trying to accomplish with the law. If Congress had to create the fine details, nothing would ever get through the Congress to the President's desk because they would be arguing over where to put each comma.
Its gets better, they dismissed the in house research panel they used to keep for law review and guidance so now all they have are bought and paid for lobbyists to do the legwork.
 

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Crap like this fits right into the misdirection agenda the republicans have been pushing for a while. Like the Florida solar amendment or that Abortion amendment in Kansas. FUD everything and do word slight of hand to make it seem like it means A when it really means X and then get it shoved into law, or shoved into a constitution where it's much hard to remove. If they can't negate something they will muddy it so much it's worthless except to niche carveouts for specific entities that cherry picked the details because they were the lobbyists writing the laws.

I really think we should ditch the omnibus mega bills and go strictly to plain English single line or paragraph laws that are strictly for a single stated purpose. It would cut out all the BS legal wrangling. There's no determining intent of the law, its explicitly stated.
Not really practical. Writing a law that actually covers anything of substance requires a decent bit of text. While you CAN just gloss over complexity, then you just end up with an ambiguous law, which can be worse than none at all. Breaking each law into line-item provisions would require more votes than Congress could realistically expect to hold.
 

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Its gets better, they dismissed the in house research panel they used to keep for law review and guidance so now all they have are bought and paid for lobbyists to do the legwork.
Gotta cut that "big government" and Unelected bureaucrats.
 

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Not really practical. Writing a law that actually covers anything of substance requires a decent bit of text. While you CAN just gloss over complexity, then you just end up with an ambiguous law, which can be worse than none at all. Breaking each law into line-item provisions would require more votes than Congress could realistically expect to hold.
If they can't digest it before voting on it, how can anyone be expected to also know it and follow it?
 

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Sounds like we need some sort of "Office of Technology Assessment"... you know to advise government officials on complex technical issues?


Oh wait - we had it for over 2 decades and it paid for itself in the money it saved.... but it was "defunded" in 1995 by part of Genrich's "Contract With America"

 

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If they can't digest it before voting on it, how can anyone be expected to also know it and follow it?
It's not humanly possible for a single person to fully digest all laws that need to be passed by an entity as large as the United States in a given year. However, there is a reason why every member of Congress has staff available to them.

And to answer your question, no single person needs to know and follow all laws. For example, the recent bill includes fees for methane released from oil and gas activities. Joe Six Pack does not need to understand of how to quantify Methane releases if they do not work in the industry. Same story with the tax code. Yes, it takes a highly trained tax professional to understand the rules governing international business taxation. But if you are running a global business, you have access to that staff. The average person doesn't need to understand those details. But high-level summaries are readily available to anybody who cares to seek them out.
 

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I was just thinking about buying a new electric car to replace my gasoline Volvo, but apparently, before buying it I will have to ask the accountants from gorillaaccounting.com to help me with all the paperwork, as well as learn about all the nuances of this purchase. I wonder if anyone has counted how much money from gasoline taxes can be saved by driving on electricity, I think a lot
 

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