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There are 4 cars that are commonly confused by beginners because they are all known as Coupes. They are very much different and very different in value and collectability.
Sport Quattro:

Note the short wheelbase, windshield angle and really wide stance.
UrQ:

Note the flared fenders.
Coupe GT:

Note: no flared flenders. The was basically a non-turbo FWD UrQ
Coupe quattro:

This is a Type 89 car based on the Audi 90.
This forum deals with the first two only, please use the 4000/Coupe GT forum or the 80/90/Cq forum for the other two.



Modified by StormChaser at 12:49 PM 12/12/2008
 

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Re: FAQ: UrQuattro vs Sport Quattro vs Coupe quattro (DUandCC)

Quote, originally posted by DUandCC »
Sport Quattro
Coupe GT:
Note: no flared flenders. The was basically a non-turbo FWD UrQ

1. By incident came across this car abandoned in my hometown few
days ago. The chassis is Sport quattro, but it's chassisnumber gives
that this car is S1 003, featuring a singel fuelrailed Pikes Peak derivat
engine. Good for this example anyhow.
2. I would say describing the coupe GT as a non.... UrQ is somewhat
strange as it is NOT a quattro car

For what it's worth, nice description for users who wonders http://****************.com/smile/emthup.gif


Modified by WAUOla at 6:57 PM 2-28-2006
 

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Re: FAQ: UrQuattro vs Sport Quattro vs Coupe quattro (WAUOla)

To make it easier aswell, your "coupe quattro" is infact whats known as the S2, same 20v Turbo engine as the late Urq and early S4.
So if you remember it as the S2 (and all S cars are quattro's, so calling it a coupe quattro is just silly) then you shouldnt confuse it at all

Also notice, as said above, the second pick of a Urq with the MTM badge on it, also has Sport quattro flares on it (notice how the taillights dont like up with the flares).
 

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Re: FAQ: UrQuattro vs Sport Quattro vs Coupe quattro (Mr.RS4)

Quote, originally posted by Mr.RS4 »
To make it easier aswell, your "coupe quattro" is infact whats known as the S2, same 20v Turbo engine as the late Urq and early S4.

I can't say for the US market, but there has been a coupe quattro of
BOTH typ 85 and 89, latter having the 10 and 20V NA engines

Therefor it can be a coupe, coupe quattro or S2. (US specs of lightclusters
etc might give it away as a S2..?)
 

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Re: FAQ: UrQuattro vs Sport Quattro vs Coupe quattro (WAUOla)

1. My description of the Coupe GT was non-turbo FWD (front wheel drive) UrQ...basically saying it was a 2WD non-turbo Coupe that looks a lot like a UrQ...causing much confusion.

2. In the USA, that would be a Coupe quattro...all of ours were quattro and had the 20v non-turbo engine. We never got the type 89 as FWD nor did we get the turbo engine.
 

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Re: FAQ: UrQuattro vs Sport Quattro vs Coupe quattro (DUandCC)

There are a few (less than 10) non fender flared non turbo coupe urquattro's in the states. I had one (bought it from a GI and had it for a year but wrecked it and had to crused it)
 

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Re: FAQ: UrQuattro vs Sport Quattro vs Coupe quattro (VonDeutschVW)

No such animall...sorry. ALL UrQ's had the flared fenders. There is a persistant roumor that a few type 85 "Coupe quattros" were imported inot Canada in 1986 or 1987. They ould look exactly like the front wheel drive Coupe GT but have a 4000 quattro driveline and were NOT turbo. Now, I guess somebody could have done a turbo engine swap into one of those...but so far, nobody can prove that they ever existed in North America...not a single picture...not even Audi of America can document their importation...
 

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Re: FAQ: UrQuattro vs Sport Quattro vs Coupe quattro (DUandCC)

The only proof of a US spec Type 85 Coupe quattro I've seen was a rally car. I believe it was John Buffum who drove it.
 

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Re: FAQ: UrQuattro vs Sport Quattro vs Coupe quattro (VonDeutschVW)

call it what you will but I did pick up one from a GI. I will see if I can find the pics of it that I had and post them. I am not realy sure how it was imported but it was basicaly a 4000 quattro coupe.
 

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Re: FAQ: UrQuattro vs Sport Quattro vs Coupe quattro (VonDeutschVW)

Oh and just for curiosity sake If I have an type 85 coupe quattro can I talk here too? (even though I am in Germany)
 

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Re: FAQ: UrQuattro vs Sport Quattro vs Coupe quattro (VonDeutschVW)

The Coupe quattro "belongs" in the 4000/CGT forum. It's the car I drive every day.
 

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Re: FAQ: UrQuattro vs Sport Quattro vs Coupe quattro (VonDeutschVW)

Quote, originally posted by VonDeutschVW »
call it what you will but I did pick up one from a GI. I will see if I can find the pics of it that I had and post them. I am not realy sure how it was imported but it was basicaly a 4000 quattro coupe.

Yes, I did say that there were rumors of the Cq being here, sounds like that's what you had and I'm WAY jealous if you did have one... http://****************.com/smile/emthup.gif
 

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Re: FAQ: UrQuattro vs Sport Quattro vs Coupe quattro (DUandCC)

Quote, originally posted by DUandCC »
UrQ:

DUandCC, you SURE know how to pick them!!

First up you choose the widely discussed S1 '003 car, and - I didn't
come to think about it before NOW - the "urquattro" shown in this
thread is also a VERY special car!

Take a peek at the dashboard in this car, and you'll see that this
is a urquattro featuring a Sport quattro item. Not only that, but
this specific car has been build by Audi Sport and has been a 20V
engine testcar. Later on sold to Roland Mayer - best known as
head of the well known MTM tunerhouse in Germany - by approval
by Piech himself. 415hp and 475Nm, featuring ALL the tasty
Sport quattro chassisbits and complete Sport interior. Therefor
"note the flared fenders" is misguiding at this picture, as you can
se the Sport quattro profile down by the sidesills.

Have a pleasent evening (or night for us here in Europe atleast)
edit: PerL via SMS said this was just a MTM build

strangely, this specific car was announced as Audi Sport built on
time of sale in Sweden. Then I do not know, sorry


Modified by WAUOla at 6:22 PM 3-9-2006
 

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Re: FAQ: UrQuattro vs Sport Quattro vs Coupe quattro (WAUOla)

Quote, originally posted by WAUOla »
1. By incident came across this car abandoned in my hometown few
days ago. The chassis is Sport quattro, but it's chassisnumber gives
that this car is S1 003, featuring a singel fuelrailed Pikes Peak derivat
engine. Good for this example anyhow.

Wait just a second! I just re-read this... Are you saying the Dahlback Sq (S1?) pictured above has been abandoned?!?!?!? WTF?! Has Hans (sp?) Dahlback lost his freakin' mind?!?!?!
 

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Re: FAQ: UrQuattro vs Sport Quattro vs Coupe quattro (DUandCC)

The WAU 85 ZZZ ZEA 905 003 (S1 '003) is no longer in Dahlbäck's
hands, as he sold it to a norwegian nearby Oslo who runs a
streetcar event and a Audi repair and tuning garage. This new
owner has had this car for some years now, and I think the sale
went down as Dahlbäck is co-owner of the garage of new owner AND
most of all, got his hand on a genuin low-mileage rally Sport quattro.
The car was abandoned in the sence of being parked in the center
of my hometown, at a hanger pulled by a BMW X5. What I meant
by abandoned was that I couldn't see the owner anywere, so it was
there in open air in its full glory. (And he lives in the same town)
If there were Sport quattros ditched around in Norway, you'd bet your
arse I would only have an old Audi 100...



Modified by WAUOla at 3:15 AM 3-10-2006
 

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Re: FAQ: UrQuattro vs Sport Quattro vs Coupe quattro (WAUOla)

OK, I knew there had to be more to that story.
http://****************.com/smile/emthup.gif How much do they typically sell for over there?
 

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Re: FAQ: UrQuattro vs Sport Quattro vs Coupe quattro (DUandCC)

The S1 '003 is yet again up for sale, and it is announced at
130 000 USD. Fully race rigged S1 cars I assume would be
approx 170 000 USD? But it is hard to tell, as there are few
examples and varying condition and historic background.
 

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Re: FAQ: UrQuattro vs Sport Quattro vs Coupe quattro (WAUOla)

OK then, thought I'd make an follow-up on the head post in this
thread to mayby enlighten some of the users of this forum.
So, here is a short grafical "tour" of the typ 85 quattro-turbo cars.
Based on my own norwegian homepage, this will just be a shortly
summed guide, have to see if I will update with more later on.
I don't bother listing EVERY detail on these cars, it would be too
much

Audi quattro aka urquattro

The urquattro was the first quattroed car to feature the turboed inline five, as all
of it derivates did, both rally and the 1984 Sport quattro. Every car in
this post is naturally with the quattro. What is noticable on the quattro
is its flared fenders. As for the rallycar, it was pretty much identical to
look at, regarding the shape of the chassis. In some rallies it has
fender extensions (seen at this picture above).
Street quattro has had 2144cc 10V 200hp, 2226cc 10V 200hp and a
very limited production (only 898 cars) of the 90/91 model 20V with new
engine management and 220hp at 2226cc.
The rally quattro competing in Group 4 featured a 320hp 10V 2144cc
engine.
So, in competition, Audi Sport further on developed the urquattro for
rally purpose, and the two cars to follow up in Group B was the
Audi rally quattro A1 and A2. Both pretty identical cars, but they
were lighter than their predecessor and had a wider stance. The
easiest way to identify one of these is at the flared fenders and that
they had one or two slanted airvents in the rear fenders for cooling
purposes. The use of lower or two slants differs from rally to rally as
dirt and gravel was not wanted into the rear diffs. Enginewise the
A1 was 340hp 10V 2144cc, and the A2 got the new "sport" capacity at
2133cc, developing 380hp at the 10V.
A1 and A2 (right):


Audi Sport quattro

The nose-heavy inline five engine was not the best car for cornering,
as it understeered. To compensate for this, Audi homologated a new
streetcar to be able to use it in Group B. Therefor, a batch of 214 cars
were made, and the most noticable is that it is a short quattro. Actually
the car is from the B-pillar and to the back a quattro that was cut 32cm
to give a shorter and more responsive wheelbase. The front is the one
of Audi 80, with a more upright windscreen. The "cutaway" behind the
B-pillar, the black front featuring mono-lamps and the wide stance as
DUandCC wrote is the giveaway on these cars. The Sport quattro was
the first streetcar from Audi to have the 20V engine, developing 306hp
at 2133cc. The rally Sport quattro differs very little in its shape from
the streetcar, but had a much stronger engine with around 450hp.
Some of the Audi drivers complained at the Sport for beeing to
nervous at high speeds, and therefor in high-speed rallies Audi
competed with some A2s and some rally Sports. To evolve from this
problem, Audi built the Audi Sport quattro S1, featuring big
wings all over it to give more grip. As Group B was banned, Audi also
did the Audi Sport quattro S1 'Pikes Peak' (and you americans
should know this best of all
) witch hade more power and even bigger
wings than the regular S1. Enginewise, there were no identical engines
on the S1 cars, varying in capacity and effects, but somewhere along
450~550hp is estimated. The Pikes Peak had 2110cc, as probably
most of the S1s had too, and developed 660hp.

S1 vs S1 'Pikes Peak' (right):


Now then, hope you've injoyed this bit


Modified by WAUOla at 11:02 AM 3-11-2006


Modified by WAUOla at 8:50 AM 4-6-2006
 

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Re: FAQ: UrQuattro vs Sport Quattro vs Coupe quattro (WAUOla)

Quote, originally posted by WAUOla »
The urquattro was the first car to feature the turboed inline five,

Wrong! The first car with the 5-cylinder turbo was the 1980 200 5T, presented to the market in the fall of 1979. The quattro had a modified engine from the 200.
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Every car in
this post is naturally with the TorSen (Torque Sensitive) 4WD drivetrain,

Wrong again! Only the 88 and newer models (those with 2226 cc engine capacity) had the Torsen center differential. And, as you know, there were not many cars made after 1988. The 1980 to 1987 street cars used a regular open differential, with a manual full time lock. The later rally cars used a Ferguson center differential which has adjustable F/R bias, while the earlier ones used a similar differential to the street cars.
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and a
very limited production (only 898 cars) of the 1990 model 20V with new
engine management and 220hp at 2226cc.

The 20V was available both for 1990 and 1991.



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