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Q: Can I put syncro on a mk2? A: Yes. (Those more experienced than me should chime in). Bare essentials: 1. G60 syncro transmission 2. Center propshaft 3. Rear end (includes viscous coupling and differential, rear axles, swing arms, hubs) 4. Syncro down pipe and twin catalytic converters Things to consider - for the non-Rallye mk2, you will also have to widen the center tunnel to accomodate the propshaft and exhaust. Then, you will have to adapt the rear floor pan and gas tank, since the non-syncro car has a spacious spare tire well and different gas tank. If you want it to look stock, you will need a syncro gas tank and floor pan. Otherwise, many people have welded in a steel plate and used a fuel cell. Whatever floats your boat! Also, if you are using Passat parts, you will have to adapt the length of the center propshaft to fit your mk2. |
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Quattro has several versions.... quattro I (open front, lockable center and rear), quattro II (open front, torsen center, lockable rear; rear auto-disengages at 15mph/ 25km/h), quattro III(open front, electronic locking torsen center, torsen rear), quattro IV (open front with EDL, torsen center, open rear with EDL) Doug. |
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A Quick Summary of the VC Alternatives Discussed So Far Torsen In the picture of the Torsen diff you see that it has one input and two outputs. The input is the outer ring gear, and the output is the two shafts. In a FWD situation, the power goes from the ring gear to the two shafts, and the majority of torque transfer goes to the shaft with the most resistance. ![]() There needs to be some sort of interface between the center driveshaft and the rear end, as there is a difference in wheel speeds during turning/cornering and in wheel slip situations. The VC serves this purpose, but for a more active rear end in cornering situations, the VC is not as much of a performers as say, Quattro with its Torsen center diff. Now, the following text is supposed to serve two purposes: 1. I am trying to mentally work through this problem, and I'm typing as I go. 2. I am hoping that someone can either verify or reclarify whatever conclusions I make... I really want to find the best answer. Previously, we were discussing the possibility of using the Torsen diff as this interface between front and rear. This would involve connecting the center driveshaft to one output shaft of the Torsen, and the other output shaft to the rear end, and meanwhile the ring gear is unloaded (spinning freely). The hope would be that the Torsen would distribute torque between front and rear, allowing for the optimum amount of traction. However, the Torsen operates on the mathematical basis that T(in)=T(out), where T is torque. More specifically T(in_ring gear) = T(shaft_1) + T(shaft_2) + losses The "losses" term is from friction and heat, and it can't be reliably quatified at this point, and it is not essential to this argument for the time being. In fact, it is this "losses" term that makes the Torsen a better limited slip device than an open diff, but that's for another time. If the Torsen were to be used in the way being discussed (as a VC alternative), then T(in_ring gear) = 0. If we neglect the losses, we find T(shaft_1) = - T(shaft_2) i.e., the Torsen is balancing torque between the two shafts. This is similar to the case in Torsen-equipped FWD car that is coasting. The outer ring gear spins freely while the tires spin. If one coasts through a turn, there is a difference in wheel speeds. The faster spinning wheel will cause a shift in the torque toward the slower wheel. |
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Haldex For many of us, we are looking at a VR6 powerplant in a Corrado, Mk2, or Mk3. This makes the R32 6 speed O2M transmission a "bolt-in" affair. As we've seen in yellowslc's project, one can adapt the Syncro rear end to accomodate the rear end that comes with 4Motion cars. The Audi TT also comes with 1.8T and 3.2 VR6 options (both transverse mounted), and both of those use an 02M transmission, so the 02M is a perfect candidate for anyone who wants to put in a beefier 6 speed and have active all wheel drive. Threfore, for those of us with AWD VR6 aspirations, making an approximation of the R32 driveline is not all that inconceivable. By using the O2M transmission and the Haldex rear end, all of the gearing is matched, the parts are OEM, and the driveline is stout. There are two difficult parts to the conversion. First, one needs to adapt the Syncro rear end to fit the 4Motion pieces. One can try this on their own, or tap into the resources found here: http://www.dutchdub.com (Marcel's conversion kit) The second difficult part is tapping into the Haldex electronically controlled wet multi-plate clutch. The Haldex clutch pack is similar to the VC in Syncro, except solenoids can vary pressure on the plates, therefore controlling the amount of power distributed to the rear. Theoretically, one can replace the stock Haldex controller with what is essentially a driver-selectable rear wheel bias. Yes, I think that sounds fun too. |
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Quattro has several versions.... quattro I (open front, lockable center and rear), quattro II (open front, torsen center, lockable rear; rear auto-disengages at 15mph/ 25km/h), quattro III(open front, electronic locking torsen center, torsen rear), quattro IV (open front with EDL, torsen center, open rear with EDL) |
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