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I recently made the switch from the Diesel Geek Sigma 6 Short-Shifter to the HPA Motorsport short shifter, and I figured I'll post my impressions and thoughts here.

I've had the diesel geek Sigma 6 short shifter in my car for about 2 years, give or take. After some initial hiccups from the installer, it's worked great. As I'm sure most of us know, setting it up 100% correctly is a bit of a process, and in my opinion, a bit of a pain in the ass but results are there.

The Sigma 6 does what it is supposed to do, and did it well, shifts get shortened, and the shifting action gets tighter, but at the same time, notchy. Yes, I know there will be a few of those who say theirs isn't notchy anymore and blah blah. After the initial install, it does get better but there were only a few times where it felt totally smooth, maybe due to weather or whatever but that was to be expected.


I've done research on the other kits available and decided I wanted to try something new, worst comes to worst I'll take the fall and deal with it one way or another. I was looking for something that would be pretty close to the diesel geek in performance but with a smoother feel, and I believe I found it!

I must give a shout-out to TLud for putting out a lot of info in his thread, Icer Jo for answering a bunch of questions I had about the HPA SS, Linden VW for getting it to me and HPA for actually making the part!

Currently I'm running the following setup (links and info on the bottom)
HPA Motorsports Short Shifter (shortest setting)
Tyrol Sport Shifter Bracket Bushings
42DD Shifter Cable Bushings

As an extra addition to the above, I have also cut the actual shifter knob "rod" and lowered the knob.

I did everything listed above at once when I removed my diesel geek so unfortunately I do not have individual differences and impressions but I am without a doubt satisfied with the setup!

It honestly feels shorter than the diesel geek, and just as direct/precise. Dare I say, it feels like a (smooth rather than notchy) diesel geek (due to having the weight). It actually took some getting used to because I felt like the shifter needs to be pushed in further than it did, but after a few days of driving, I'm almost completely used to it.

Another positive to this "setup " although not exactly related is that because it uses the stock end-links, the adjustment is easy.

Hope this helps someone!

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Here are some part numbers and sources.

Primary source of information is TLuds Post which has most of the same info as listed below and also where all this was taken from:
https://forums.vwvortex.com/showthr...f-R-Thread&p=82045319&viewfull=1#post82045319


1. HPA Motorsports Short Shifter (shortest setting)
You can buy the short shifter directly from HPA, or a re-seller such as Linden VW
I got mine from LindenVW

2. Tyrol Sport Shifter Bracket Bushing
Ordered from: http://www.tyrolsport.com/engine/transmission/tyrolsport-solid-shifter-bracket-bushing-ssbb
Alternative: 42 Draft Design also makes these: http://www.42draftdesigns.com/VW-Shifter-Bracket-Bushings_p_749.html

3. MK4 Metal side-to-side lever
Part #: 1J0-711-202-J
Ordered from: http://www.deutscheautoparts.com/

4. 42 Draft Design Shifter Cable End-Link Bushings:
USE THESE ONLY IF you are using the above Mk4 side-to-side lever: http://www.42draftdesigns.com/VW-Shifter-Bushing-Set--Mk5-6S-MY07_p_284.html

5a) White Plastic Lever bushing to use WITH THE Mk4 side-to-side lever, part # 1J0-711-067L
You need two of these (one for each side)
Ordered from: http://www.deutscheautoparts.com/
See note above.

5b) alternative to those is ones made by diesel geek
https://www.dieselgeek.com/products/high-performance-bushings-replacing-part-number-1j0-711-067l

6. Additional VW C-clip (locking washer) - VW p/n N-908-159-03
Ordered from: http://www.deutscheautoparts.com/

7. Also added the shaft bushings
https://www.dieselgeek.com/products...-shaft-bushings-for-mk4-golf-jetta-new-beetle

For good measure you should also look into the shifter cable bracket while in there to hold the cables up from burning up on the downpipe
 

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I recently made the switch from the Diesel Geek Sigma 6 Short-Shifter to the HPA Motorsport short shifter, and I figured I'll post my impressions and thoughts here.


I've had the diesel geek Sigma 6 short shifter in my car for about 2 years, give or take. After some initial hiccups from the installer, it's worked great. As I'm sure most of us know, setting it up 100% correctly is a bit of a process, and in my opinion, a bit of a pain in the ass but results are there.

The Sigma 6 does what it is supposed to do, and did it well, shifts get shortened, and the shifting action gets tighter, but at the same time, notchy. Yes I know there will be a few of those who say theirs isn't notchy anymore and blah blah. After initial install it does get better but there were only a few times were it felt totally smooth, maybe due to weather or whatever but that was to be expected.


Recently, I've done some research on the other kits available and decided I wanted to try something new, worst comes to worst I'll take the fall and try returning or selling at a loss. I was looking for something that would be pretty close to the diesel geek in performance but with a smoother feel, and I believe I found it!

I must give a shout-out to TLud for putting out a lot of info in his thread, Icer Jo for answering a bunch of questions I had about the HPA ss, Linden VW for getting it to me and HPA for actually making the part!

Currently I'm running the following setup:
HPA Motorsports Short Shifter (shortest setting)
MK4 Metal side-to-side Lever
Mk4 Metal Shift Cable Bracket(1J0 711 789C)
Tyrol Sport Shifter Bracket Bushings
42DD Shifter Cable Bushings

As an extra addition to the above I have also cut the actual shifter knob "rod" and set it to the lowest height.

I did everything listed above at once when I removed my diesel geek so unfortunately I do not have individual differences and impressions but I am without a doubt satisfied with the setup!
It honestly feels shorter than the diesel geek, and just as direct/precise. Dare I say, it feels like a (smooth rather than notchy) diesel geek (due to having the weight). It actually took some getting used to because I felt like the shifter needs to be pushed in further than it did, but after a few days of driving I'm almost completely used to it.

Another positive to this "setup " although not exactly related is that because it uses the stock end-links, the adjustment is easy.

(excuse the dirty bracket, bought it used and didn't exactly clean it before putting it in)



Hope this helps someone!
helped me!

I've been on the fence with a SS, and leaning toward the HPA just so I didn't have to bother with the complexity of setting up the DG. My fiance drives the car also, which is another reason I'd prefer the shift not to be "too notchy".

That said, this post probably confirms that I'll go with the HPA and some bracket bushings.

Thanks for posting!
 

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Glad i could be of assistance! Also thanks again for reminding me about the metal Bracket that I had put on the back burner!

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I know it's not hard to find and source all those parts, but if you hyperlinked to where you bought, or can buy those parts... that'd be awesome. =) I only say this bc I was on the fence on which ss kit to get... I was going to yield at some point and get the dg ss, but now I might go your route. I wonder what the final tally money wise is. About the same? more, less?

thanks for the input!
 

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I know it's not hard to find and source all those parts, but if you hyperlinked to where you bought, or can buy those parts... that'd be awesome. =) I only say this bc I was on the fence on which ss kit to get... I was going to yield at some point and get the dg ss, but now I might go your route. I wonder what the final tally money wise is. About the same? more, less?

thanks for the input!
I'll post a couple links when i get off work if op doesn't beat me to it lol.
As for the metal bracket search ebay for that part number and ensure that the image looks like the following.



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Here are some part numbers and sources.

Primary source of information is TLuds Post which has most of the same info as listed below and also where all this was taken from:
http://forums.vwvortex.com/showthre...f-R-Thread&p=82045319&viewfull=1#post82045319


1. HPA Motorsports Short Shifter (shortest setting)
You can buy the short shifter directly from HPA, or a re-seller such as Linden VW
I got mine from LindenVW

2. Mk4 Metal Shift Cable Bracket
Part #: 1J0 711 789C
Ordered from: austin_imports seller on eBay CLICK ME

3. Tyrol Sport Shifter Bracket Bushing
Ordered from: http://www.tyrolsport.com/engine/transmission/tyrolsport-solid-shifter-bracket-bushing-ssbb
Alternative: 42 Draft Design also makes these: http://www.42draftdesigns.com/VW-Shifter-Bracket-Bushings_p_749.html

4. MK4 Metal side-to-side lever
Part #: 1J0-711-202-J
Ordered from: http://www.deutscheautoparts.com/

5. 42 Draft Design Shifter Cable End-Link Bushings:
USE THESE ONLY IF you are using the above Mk4 side-to-side lever: http://www.42draftdesigns.com/VW-Shifter-Bushing-Set--Mk5-6S-MY07_p_284.html

6. White Plastic Lever bushing to use WITH THE Mk4 side-to-side lever, part # 1J0-711-067L
Ordered from: http://www.deutscheautoparts.com/

7. Additional VW C-clip (locking washer) - VW p/n N-908-159-03
Ordered from: http://www.deutscheautoparts.com/
 

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Much appreciated, Thanks! I wanna get a ride in a bagged R some day. =) We need to do a GtG w/ the locals.

Here is some info that will help:

1. HPA Short Shifter (HPA or other reseller)

2. 42dd bushings IF YOU USE THE mk4 metal side to side lever! http://www.42draftdesigns.com/VW-Shifter-Bushing-Set--Mk5-6S-MY07_p_284.html

3. Tyrol Sport bracket bushings: (42dd also has these) http://www.tyrolsport.com/engine/transmission/tyrolsport-solid-shifter-bracket-bushing-ssbb/

4. Mk4 metal shifter cable bracket: Part # 1J0 711 789C, purchased on ebay: http://www.ebay.com/itm/MK4-VW-GLI-...ries&fits=Make:Volkswagen&hash=item1c379c626b email them see if they have more
5. Mk4 metal side to side lever: 1J0-711-202-J deutscheautoparts.com

T-Luds Post with the info where all this was taken from:
It also lists the bushing part #s for the Side to side bracket, and the c-clip
http://forums.vwvortex.com/showthre...f-R-Thread&p=82045319&viewfull=1#post82045319
 

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Much appreciated, Thanks! I wanna get a ride in a bagged R some day. =) We need to do a GtG w/ the locals.
You're welcome! without a doubt we can make that happen!
I've had basically the same exact setup on my car going on two years now and absolutely LOVE it..

I originally did have the HPA in my hands but decided to make my own by modifying my original shifter instead, then having the pieces powder coated.

http://forums.vwvortex.com/showthre...-lever-and-Shift-Cable-Bracket-Solid-Bushings
I've seen this before and must say you did a great job!
 

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Here are some part numbers and sources.

Primary source of information is TLuds Post which has most of the same info as listed below and also where all this was taken from:
http://forums.vwvortex.com/showthre...f-R-Thread&p=82045319&viewfull=1#post82045319


1. HPA Motorsports Short Shifter (shortest setting)
You can buy the short shifter directly from HPA, or a re-seller such as Linden VW
I got mine from LindenVW

2. Mk4 Metal Shift Cable Bracket
Part #: 1J0 711 789C
Ordered from: austin_imports seller on eBay CLICK ME

3. Tyrol Sport Shifter Bracket Bushing
Ordered from: http://www.tyrolsport.com/engine/transmission/tyrolsport-solid-shifter-bracket-bushing-ssbb
Alternative: 42 Draft Design also makes these: http://www.42draftdesigns.com/VW-Shifter-Bracket-Bushings_p_749.html

4. MK4 Metal side-to-side lever
Part #: 1J0-711-202-J
Ordered from: http://www.deutscheautoparts.com/

5. 42 Draft Design Shifter Cable End-Link Bushings:
USE THESE ONLY IF you are using the above Mk4 side-to-side lever: http://www.42draftdesigns.com/VW-Shifter-Bushing-Set--Mk5-6S-MY07_p_284.html

6. White Plastic Lever bushing to use WITH THE Mk4 side-to-side lever, part # 1J0-711-067L
Ordered from: http://www.deutscheautoparts.com/

7. Additional VW C-clip (locking washer) - VW p/n N-908-159-03
Ordered from: http://www.deutscheautoparts.com/

Great! Simple and very informative for future DIYers
 

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I have basically the same setup but I used a Neuspeed SS. I got it cheap off of eBay. Generally I love it.


Question about the Mk4 Metal Shift Cable Bracket(1J0 711 789C). How hard is this to install. How do the cables go through it?
 

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I've seen this before and must say you did a great job!
:thumbup:



I have basically the same setup but I used a Neuspeed SS. I got it cheap off of eBay. Generally I love it.


Question about the Mk4 Metal Shift Cable Bracket(1J0 711 789C). How hard is this to install. How do the cables go through it?

Quite a simple, albeit potentially frustrating install lol..

Easiest to remove your air box/intake assembly to free up some room, then

- release each cable from the cable ends

-remove retaining clips (cable bracket to cable)

-remove three bolts securing bracket

-install is reverse of this..

My biggest pain was I let one of the solid shift bracket bushings fall and lost it for a spell in some tin of the car, spent more time looking for the damn bushing than on the actual install lol

there are threaded bushings on the market which would prevent this, but at end of day it's quite a simple install.
 

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Does your counterweight slam into your shift cable in the shortest setting on the HPA shifter? Mine certainly does, as does a lot of other people on the forums. Sit in the car and get someone to shift into gear and double check that...
 

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Does your counterweight slam into your shift cable in the shortest setting on the HPA shifter? Mine certainly does, as does a lot of other people on the forums. Sit in the car and get someone to shift into gear and double check that...
This is the exact reason why I got rid of the HPA and made my own..
 

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