Ghost buys a track rat?

sicklyscott said:

If it were me, I'd either go for an e36 M3 or a C5 Z06. I tracked a supercharged (rotrex) Miata for a while, it was a blast but, what keeps me away now is safety. Without a full cage, I feel vulnerable, it's just not worth it.

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Goingnowherefast said:

I ran one for 4 years. Here's my quick cliff notes:

-Great platform, tons of aftermarket
-Economy car Macpherson strut means you'll want to run -4° or more if you want to be fast
-13-15 engines are garbage and are really a ticking timebomb
-All engines have inherent oiling issues, run a cooler and thicker oil, baffles if you're running hoosiers
-K-Swaps are the jam
-If staying NA, I'd highly recommend grabbing a numerically higher final drive
-The FA24 in the 2nd gen is better in every single conceivable way
-These cars have pretty epic amount of room inside for track stuff
-There's a super cool trailer hitch that can be completely unbolted in 5 minutes if you need extra space (pic below)

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absoluteczech said:

Best part about the first 2 options is that FCP doesn't sell parts for Mazda or Toyota's

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ghost03 said:

In case you hadn't heard any of my cockerpunk rants, I bought a Spec Miata, started racing in the SCCA, and got sucked down the rabbit hole. It's fun as @#$#, but it's also serious, and more time consuming than I'd expected.

This is the car. It's awesome and I love it. But I think I need to get rid of it.
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Now, Miatas are easy to work on. Incredibly easy. They're light, efficiently laid out, have room to turn bolts, etc., which is awesome. The problem is that racing maintenance and track day maintenance are completely different animals and I wasn't prepared for that. We beat the absolute #@$# out of these cars. Faster to jump off a curb? Jump off a curb. Faster to be a 1/4" off a wall? Be a 1/4" off the wall. If someone bumps you into it, you can always get a new mirror housing from Mazda and door card from a junkyard.

Things I've replaced in 1.5 years of ownership:

• Transmission (broken 5th gear)
• Radiator (crash)
• Headlight (crash)
• Front crash foam (crash)
• Rear wheel bearing (loose)
• Front wheel bearing (loose)
• Windshield (rocks)
• Harness (expired)
• Smarty cam (broken)
• 8 oil changes
• 3 transmission fluid changes
• Countless alignments with toe plates
• Go Pro (rocks)
• Alternator (worn out)
• Tires - 10 sets
• Brakes - 2 sets
• Ball joint (pin sheared off in a qualifying session and sent me into the gravel trap)
• Radiator housing (broken from getting winched out of gravel pit after ball joint failed)
• Radiator fan (also winch)
• Fender (trading paint)
• Front clip (wear and tear, bump drafting, etc.)
• Second transmission (broken 5th gear)

This is--relatively speaking--normal. And while I have the tools and skills to do all this, I would pretty consistently find myself leaving work, going to wrench on the car, getting back at midnight and passing out. The last one was kind of a nail in the coffin for me, it happened in a qualifying session. I missed the first of two races and had to swap it in the paddock while raining (although that sucked it's better than going home; shoutout to Planet Miata, who delivered the replacement!) I had the car ready to go for the second race, but exhausted, I managed to spin and get stuck in the dirt for a flat tow back. The good news is I did more than half the race--enough laps to count as a finish--before the spin and beat a couple racers that didn't. 😂
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So now I'm re-evaluating things and a little bit lost. This is still a very good car. But I don't have time to maintain a race car for the amount of racing I'm doing (~2 race weekends/month). Most people doing the Majors and Super Tours have something called "Team Support"--a customer relationship where the team maintains and transports the car and you just show up to race--and so I think I'm going to do that. It sounds expensive, but the thing is, so is having a 20' box trailer that you haul around with all the tools, and they get some benefits from economy of scale too. An 18-wheeler can haul 4+ race cars and get 8mpg. I can haul one race car and get 10mpg. Same with sponsorship deals and wholesale parts pricing.


So basically, I want to get rid of this. That could mean a few different things:

• Selling it and renting race cars from teams.
• Selling it and commissioning a new one from a race team.
• Turning it over to a race team to manage.

I'm not sure which of those I want to do and I have to think long and hard about it. In all of those scenarios I ditch the trailer, the car, and the majority of the hassle. Ditching the trailer is huge--it's basically an extra car to maintain, it's too big to store at my house so it lives across town in an industrial sector, and it's giving me a deep-seated desire to add an F-250 to the stable--But ditching the trailer also limits my schedule to events that the team's 18-wheelers are at. If I want to do some track days or time trials? Not happening. Autocross? Forget about it.

So either way I'd have a desire for a new track rat. Here are the requirements:

• Relatively cheap to run
• Light
• MT
• RWD
• Reliably driveable to and from events--windows, AC, state inspection, etc.

I'll do some basic track rat mods. Half cage, buckets, 100TW, stiff suspension/bushing, etc., but since I'm ditching the trailer will need to be able to plate it.

Here are the candidates at the top of my head:

NA/NB Miata.
I know the platform and have lots of spares. But I won't be burning through them at track days the way I do races, and instead of running an intake restrictor I can run a supercharger. A friend of mine has an NA sitting in his back yard that has needed a clutch for 5 years which would be a good candidate.

Toyobaru:
I don't know the platform, but they're well regarded and meet my criteria. 200hp/2600lbs is actually kind of a sweet spot I think, more than that and you really start to go through brakes.

E36/E46:
Yes yes, I'm a fanboy, but this is VWVortex after all.

128i
Kind of a newer E36. Maybe not as raw but also we have some parts already because we have an E88 cab.

TCL loves having a budget. I figure I'll get about $10k selling the trailer and will just "re-invest" that.

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Stevo12 said:

That said if you want to invest some time in a rotary build, I know some friends who took a $2000 beater RX8 (which was the wife’s winter beater at some point), rebuilt the rotary in their garage, and eventually turned it into one of the fastest DSP cars in the country. And that’s their “ol’ reliable” race car too. I don’t know how they do it (well I do, both of them are ridiculously talented and methodical) but that’s what has happened.

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Goingnowherefast said:

The trick is starting with the 09+ motor and if possible 09+ chassis. They did so many mechanical improvements it's not even funny. The engines are cheap and EXTREMELY easy to rebuild. If you live in a place with winter, I'd recommend just refreshing it every winter and they will actually be very reliable.

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ghost03 said:

So either way I'd have a desire for a new track rat. Here are the requirements:

• Relatively cheap to run
• Light
• MT
• RWD
• Reliably driveable to and from events--windows, AC, state inspection, etc.

I'll do some basic track rat mods. Half cage, buckets, 100TW, stiff suspension/bushing, etc., but since I'm ditching the trailer will need to be able to plate it.

Here are the candidates at the top of my head:

NA/NB Miata.
I know the platform and have lots of spares. But I won't be burning through them at track days the way I do races, and instead of running an intake restrictor I can run a supercharger. A friend of mine has an NA sitting in his back yard that has needed a clutch for 5 years which would be a good candidate.

Toyobaru:
I don't know the platform, but they're well regarded and meet my criteria. 200hp/2600lbs is actually kind of a sweet spot I think, more than that and you really start to go through brakes.


E36/E46:
Yes yes, I'm a fanboy, but this is VWVortex after all.


128i
Kind of a newer E36. Maybe not as raw but also we have some parts already because we have an E88 cab.


TCL loves having a budget. I figure I'll get about $10k selling the trailer and will just "re-invest" that.

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2 doors said:

I'm in a C5 Z06 now and the safety part concerns me. I don't have high confidence in a plastic roof. There's one company that makes a 4 point bar but because of the roof shape, it would be below my head, so no benefit in a roll. The only option for me (at 6'3") is a full cage and a super low race seat. I may do it, but that kills any dual purpose runaround weekend fun of the car. At my last event, there was another C5 Z06 that spun off track (in the heavy rain) and did a full cartwheel. Let me tell you, it's pretty disconcerting to exit a turn and have your rearview mirror full of the bottom of a Corvette. Through some divine intervention the dude was completely unhurt and not a single piece of glass was broken. It was a safety wakeup call for sure.

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