[CuStOm]

The Upsolute site states 192hp/200trq for the AWD but 210/245 for the AWW.
Now GIAC states 45-50hp/55-60trq increase for both engines.
APR just says 196hp/240trq regardless of the engine.
Now I am not starting a chip debate here, if have done the searches and been around a little while. Seen them done that. My questions are these:
I understand that the AWW makes a little more power stock but how come APR and GIAC get the same amount our of the AWW and AWD, but Upsolute states such a huge difference between the two and also gets more torque than both GIAC and APR on the AWW? Why the huge difference in Upsolute torque in the AWW and AWD? Are they all that way or am I confused? Thanks!


[Modified by CuStOm, 10:40 PM 2-9-2002]

 

[Speedy1.8T]

Re: Giac, Upsolute, APR chip question. Clear some confusion.... (CuStOm)

Since I am new here, can someone explain to me what AWW and AWD is? I am about to get my 2k2 Jetta 1.8t GLS, and have no idea what its gonna have.

 

[CuStOm]

Re: Giac, Upsolute, APR chip question. Clear some confusion.... (CuStOm)

It will have the AWP.
The AWD is from 2000-2001
The AWW is 2001
The AWP is 2002
What all the differences are I am unsure....
If I remember correctly (correct me if I am wrong please) is that the AWD is 155 hp, the AWW is 160, and the AWP is 180. There are physical differences between the AWW and AWD but I am unsure as to what they are.....

 

[spaceman_spiff]

Re: Giac, Upsolute, APR chip question. Clear some confusion.... (CuStOm)

the awd engine is the original turbo-ed 1.8 for this platform. the aww was a running change in 2001 that i believe was implemented about the time of the wolfsburg edition jettas (among all models of the jetta, and the golf/gti's.) changes include an upgraded turbo called the k03 sport, and variable cam timing via a solenoid that takes the slack out of the timing chain. with the awd programming, the aww gave more power, but they never listed it because it was negligable. the ecu's aren't compatible between awd and aww cars because there was software added just to control the solenoid, etc. for 2002, they wrote software for this new engine that took more advantage of the newer components and called it the awp...
nobody really knows why the awp software doesn't work with the aww, but then again, i only think 2 people tried it. (i think i may have heard rumor that one actually worked, but that may be inaccurate.)

that's about all i have gathered from reading thru all of these posts

 

[CuStOm]

Re: Giac, Upsolute, APR chip question. Clear some confusion.... (spaceman_spiff)

Thanks spiff....
So what about the power differences "Chipped" then?

 

[NJWolf18T]

Re: Giac, Upsolute, APR chip question. Clear some confusion.... (spaceman_spiff)

i also heard that VW downsized the size in diameter of the Downpipe in the AWW engines so that they could be sure that the power increase between the two was negligable. about 5mm or so... so they probably would make a little more power if they didn't have that little change.
just my 02 cents
James

 

[Speedy1.8T]

Re: Giac, Upsolute, APR chip question. Clear some confusion.... (CuStOm)

Ahh thanks guys, that answered my question really well....!

 

[dbrowne1]

Re: Giac, Upsolute, APR chip question. Clear some confusion.... (CuStOm)

The UP chip for the AWD does not run quite as much boost as the one for the AWW/AWP. Upsolute felt that it was outside the reasonable efficiency of the AWD K03 compressor to run any more...although they are supposedly coming out with a 1 bar chip for them.
I have both the GIAC and the UP chip for my AWD, and the difference is significant. The UP chips for the AWW/AWP are about the same as the GIAC/APR for the same in terms of power.

 

[einsig]

Re: Giac, Upsolute, APR chip question. Clear some confusion.... (CuStOm)

APR has higher numbers for the AWW AWP engines. Expect 215hp and 245 ft-lbs with the 93 octane program and 204hp, 245 ft-lbs on the 91 octane.
For some reason they dont' advertise this on the APR web site. They mentioned the numbers when the new code was released, but it still isn't in the main info.
FWIW, the new versions of APR, GIAC, and Up are extremely close on power and torque (for the AWW and AWP engines).
Go APR!


[Modified by einsig, 2:13 PM 2-10-2002]

 

[dbrowne1]

Re: Giac, Upsolute, APR chip question. Clear some confusion.... (einsig)

quote:[HR][/HR]APR has higher numbers for the AWW AWP engines. Expect 215hp and 245 ft-lbs with the 93 octane program and 204hp, 245 ft-lbs on the 91 octane.
[HR][/HR]​

Correction: They have higher advertised numbers. All of these chips are right at the edge of efficiency, they all make about the same power. APR's 93 octane program may push it a little further by advancing the timing a little.

 

[CuStOm]

Re: Giac, Upsolute, APR chip question. Clear some confusion.... (dbrowne1)

Cool. Thanks for the feedback.
Then I would probably assume then that the 1.1 non VBL chip from Neuspeed for the AWD is probably going to put out more power than the current Upsolute. Correct? Thanks!

 

[spaceman_spiff]

Re: Giac, Upsolute, APR chip question. Clear some confusion.... (CuStOm)

just a few more cents to add. due to the fact that they're all pretty close in power, i would really first consider the chip who has a dealer closest to you, and check out their customer service. apr may have the best chip, but if you have billy-bob as your only rep, and he won't call you back (or lives 3 hours away)...
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[Ayrton]

Re: Giac, Upsolute, APR chip question. Clear some confusion.... (einsig)

awd chip doesnt produce the 215 on 93 octane??

 

[Bug_Power]

Re: Giac, Upsolute, APR chip question. Clear some confusion.... (silberne bullet)

Sorry guys I've been out of town. The biggest difference between the numbers for the UPsolute chips, is because we raised to boost on the 2001 AWW motors. We went from a .8 (or .9 what ever you want to call it.) to a 1 bar program

 

[einsig]

Re: Giac, Upsolute, APR chip question. Clear some confusion.... (dbrowne1)

quote:[HR][/HR]Correction: They have higher advertised numbers. All of these chips are right at the edge of efficiency, they all make about the same power. APR's 93 octane program may push it a little further by advancing the timing a little.[HR][/HR]​

Correction dbrowne1: I meant that APR has higher numbers for AWW and AWP than the 196/240 that CuStOm originally posted. Obviously the APR chips for AWW and AWP are higher than the AWD...as they are with most other company's chips. Duh.

 

[einsig]

Re: Giac, Upsolute, APR chip question. Clear some confusion.... (silberne bullet)

quote:[HR][/HR]awd chip doesnt produce the 215 on 93 octane??
[HR][/HR]​

No, we don't know what the AWD octane specific chips will produce. They aren't out yet and it would be a safe bet that they won't be on the level of the AWW/AWP anyway.

 

[jim wilson]

Re: Giac, Upsolute, APR chip question. Clear some confusion.... (dbrowne1)

quote:[HR][/HR]
Correction: They have higher advertised numbers. All of these chips are right at the edge of efficiency, they all make about the same power. APR's 93 octane program may push it a little further by advancing the timing a little.[HR][/HR]​

Ditto, you can't really go by what the website says. Up site says 192hp period, obviously the site needs an update- that isn't even accurate for the AWD. I believe the # was carried over from the non DBW A4/passat 1.8T which were rated the same. My passat got 182.6whp and an AWD golf I dynoed in tampa got 178.9whp. unless we have the most efficeint tranny in the world, the site #s are off. If you look at the #s on the sites that state the engine code, you should find that your wheel #s will be about 13% less(minimum) no matter what chip you have.