The 30/40wt designations are a bit too coarse to really call this out, but the viscosities of many certified 5-30/0-40 oils are a lot closer than you may get think. Taking M1 Euro 0-40 and M1 ESP 5-30, for example, the former is 12.9cSt @100C and the latter is 11.8. If you look at HTHS @150C, they're even closer at 3.6/3.5 respectively.
Golf R oil weight
The owners manual states that 5W-30 or 5W-40 can be used but the sticker in engine compartment states 5W-30. I’m a new owner of a 2019 R so I found that to be interesting. I’m planning on using 5W-30 since two places note 5W-30. Does anyone use 5W-40?
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I have a 2019, I have the 0w30 VW504 00 sticker
on the VW.ca site for the maintenance schedule:
-Castrol EDGE Professional oil change 0W20 SYNTEC
on the VW.ca site for the maintenance schedule:
-Castrol EDGE Professional oil change 0W20 SYNTEC
Sounds like an error on the site. 0w-20 is what the spec is for non-R cars. There's an Edge Professional 0w-30 with the 504.00/507.00 spec, though. There are loads of oils with that spec in 5w-30, but the 0w variants are few and far in between. As far as oils available in my market are concerned, Mobil 1 ESP 0w-30 and Penzoil Platinum Euro LX 0w-40 are the only other ones I see. Motul, Liqui-Moly, etc. have em, but only as imports.I have a 2019, I have the 0w30 VW504 00 sticker
on the VW.ca site for the maintenance schedule:
-Castrol EDGE Professional oil change 0W20 SYNTEC
Follow the sticker.I have a 2019, I have the 0w30 VW504 00 sticker
on the VW.ca site for the maintenance schedule:
-Castrol EDGE Professional oil change 0W20 SYNTEC
https://www.audiusa.com/content/dam...2017-Technical-Service-Bulletin-1.22.2018.pdf
Scroll to see which are VW 502 vs VW 504 compliant. No idea what the change was for. Might have to do with fuel economy. Maybe carbon build-up issues?
Scroll to see which are VW 502 vs VW 504 compliant. No idea what the change was for. Might have to do with fuel economy. Maybe carbon build-up issues?
Given that the on-car oil stickers seem to vary with model year, now that we're in 2020 I'd be happier with a document dated more recently than October 2017. (Yes, I've noticed that the link shows 1/22/2018 as the date, but the document itself is dated 10/25/2017.)https://www.audiusa.com/content/dam...2017-Technical-Service-Bulletin-1.22.2018.pdf
Scroll to see which are VW 502 vs VW 504 compliant. No idea what the change was for. Might have to do with fuel economy. Maybe carbon build-up issues?
That doesn't mean it's not up to date, but neither does it instill confidence that it is. It would be no bad thing for VAG to reissue the guide annually with the model year switchover, whether there are actual changes or not.
Neil
Agreed, but I couldn't find a more comprehensive list that was more up to date. I'm assuming that it hasn't been updated because the ratings haven't changed since then. Also, you can check by looking at the back of any oil bottle as they have all their compliance ratings on the back. Just look for VW 502.00 or VW 504.00 on the oil. Either way, I think people overthink it. I've run oil that doesn't mean manufacturer standards and people act like I curb stomped puppies. I dunno ... car lasted 200k miles on oil that people screeched would destroy the motor. Only sold it because I wanted something newer and nicer ... entire powertrain still ran like a top.Given that the on-car oil stickers seem to vary with model year, now that we're in 2020 I'd be happier with a document dated more recently than October 2017. (Yes, I've noticed that the link shows 1/22/2018 as the date, but the document itself is dated 10/25/2017.)
That doesn't mean it's not up to date, but neither does it instill confidence that it is. It would be no bad thing for VAG to reissue the guide annually with the model year switchover, whether there are actual changes or not.
Neil
I have a 2019, I have the 0w30 VW504 00 sticker
on the VW.ca site for the maintenance schedule:
-Castrol EDGE Professional oil change 0W20 SYNTEC
Wow - even the M1 site calls out 0w20 for the 2019 R. Am i the only person who feels really uncomfortable using a 20 weight oil in a turbo motor? That just seems plain nuts no matter what pixie dust they used to make it.
Just to clarify, my comment was not at all intended to ding you, but rather VAG. Yeah, as far as anyone can tell — and I had also searched a few months ago for my wife's Audi Q5 — that's the most current doc.Agreed, but I couldn't find a more comprehensive list that was more up to date. I'm assuming that it hasn't been updated because the ratings haven't changed since then.
You definitely are not the only one. I'm old enough to have used 20W-something performance oils, so the idea of something W-20 makes me squirm.Wow - even the M1 site calls out 0w20 for the 2019 R. Am i the only person who feels really uncomfortable using a 20 weight oil in a turbo motor? That just seems plain nuts no matter who makes the oil.
Neil
There's nothing wrong with 0W20 oil in engines that are spec'd for it--but this engine isn't spec'd for it. VW doesn't seem to do the best job of publishing accurate content. At one point, the online factory service manual listed the part number for differential fluid as the fluid number for the Haldex unit (after telling me I was wrong initially, then ended up updating it). Point being, just because it's on the VW CA website, doesn't mean it's correct. They seem to make a lot of mistakes in publishing this stuff.Just to clarify, my comment was not at all intended to ding you, but rather VAG. Yeah, as far as anyone can tell — and I had also searched a few months ago for my wife's Audi Q5 — that's the most current doc.
You definitely are not the only one. I'm old enough to have used 20W-something performance oils, so the idea of something W-20 makes me squirm.
Neil
The MK7.5 R's are spec'd with a 504/507 0W30 oil. That's what mine came with from the factory, and that's what I'm putting back in there. I'm sure 502/505 will work fine as well.
The 0W20 spec is for a different engine (used in the '19 GTI, and the Budak cycle engines such as the Tiguan).
I'm very confused. I re-read this thread a few times. I searched the forums. I look at bobistheoldguy. I even searched few oil manufacturers websites... The sticker on my 2019 Golf R says 0w30 & 504 and it looks like the only two options are the CASTROL EDGE PROFESSIONAL 0W30 LONG LIFE III which is pretty much nowhere to be found/discontinued and the Mobil 1 ESP 0w30 that on their website (https://mobiloil.com/en/motor-oils/mobil-1/mobil-1-esp) says that is 504 approved, but not on the packaging (at least I haven't been able to find a screenshot of the bottle confirming it). What oil should I have for topping off? I thought I was good with the Castrol edge 5w40 that I had for wife's A3 but now I'm all sorts of confused and worried. I live in the PNW btw
I have a couple of oil changes of the M1 0W30 ESP. It does meet the spec. On the bottles I have, it doesn't actually list 504 on the bottle, but there's a QR code that links to the formal builder approvals. And that takes you here: https://www.mobil.com/en-US/Passenger-Vehicle-Lube/pds/NA-XX-Mobil-1-ESP-0W30. I picked this up for $5.99 a qt. when it was on sale at NAPA.
Pennzoil Euro LX 0W30 also meets 504/507 and has it printed on the bottle if that's a big deal. Advanced Auto has it, or if you travel north of the border for any reason you can always pick it up for a pretty good price at Canadian Tire: https://www.canadiantire.ca/en/pdp/pennzoil-platinum-euro-synthetic-motor-oil-5-l-0289356p.html
$5 a quart USD.
Ravenol and Motul also produce a 0W30 504/507 oil. So, there are options out there.
For topping off, I wouldn't hesitate to use the oil you have on hand.
Pennzoil Euro LX 0W30 also meets 504/507 and has it printed on the bottle if that's a big deal. Advanced Auto has it, or if you travel north of the border for any reason you can always pick it up for a pretty good price at Canadian Tire: https://www.canadiantire.ca/en/pdp/pennzoil-platinum-euro-synthetic-motor-oil-5-l-0289356p.html
$5 a quart USD.
Ravenol and Motul also produce a 0W30 504/507 oil. So, there are options out there.
For topping off, I wouldn't hesitate to use the oil you have on hand.
Agreed on both counts.There's nothing wrong with 0W20 oil in engines that are spec'd for it--but this engine isn't spec'd for it.
In any case it's my brain that isn't spec'd to accept 0W20 ;-)
Neil
Always used 0w40 Mobil1 every 5k miles and it’s perfect
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